Can you kill a dog if it attacks your pup which is on a leash and the other dog is not?
This is to add to the question, wat if ur pup is not on a leash?
but it is still in ur yard?
You could, but the owner of the dog (if there is one) could sue.
So, if it has an owner (or collar), I would talk to the owner about
either training the dog to behave or keeping in the backyard. If it
doesn't have an owner, you could kill it but it wouldn't be morally
right. Consider calling animal control instead.
Blame the owners, not the dog! There are only a very few cases
where a dog accidentally gets out of an enclosed yard. It's the
owners who have not taken their dog to obedience training and to
learn commands and one of those commands is for the dog to stay on
it's own property.
There is something wrong with any dog that would actually attack
a puppy. I wouldn't have a dog like that as my pet.
I wouldn't want to have to kill a dog either, but if it meant my
small dogs against some brute of a dog I would do anything in my
power to save my dogs! If you harm or kill that dog you will
not be charged because the owner of that dog has broken the law
by not securing that dog and your dog was on a leash.
I think it is legal, but why would you want to kill a dog that
would probably be a very good dog if it had the right owners.
That's messed to even think of that solution.
yes if its on your property.that's legal. no if your out of your
yard. personally id find it hard to kill it but i could understand
your fear or rage .may i ask? what did u do?
The law as I understand it is- if your "property" (pet,
livestock,structure, car, other) is being damaged or destroyed,
you, the property owner, can act to protect & defend your
On public property, i.e. a sidewalk or park, you may still
"protect" your property if it is clearly under your control, such
as a pet on a leash.
If in the process of "protecting" your property, it results in
the injury or death of the attacking animal, that may still be
legal, depending on whether the intent was to "protect and defend"
or to "injure and/or kill" out of anger.
If an attack on your property (pet) has occurred and where
defense and protection are too late, it is best to let the legal
system decide what course of action to take.
The question may need rephrasing to something like- Can you
defend and protect your animal on a leash from being injured or
killed by a free ranging animal?
You can probably report it to the police or animal services. They
will investigate and find out who's was at fault, etc. At the very
least you could get your pups vet bills paid. They could order the
dog to be put to sleep. But you can't go kill the dog yourself. Or
take it and have it done. You can't touch the other persons dog.
You would get in more trouble than they would for the dog attacking
your pup. But you also need to remember that a dog is trained and
only knows what it's taught. Or not taught. It's really not the
other dogs fault, in most cases. It's usually neglect or ignorance
on the owners part.
It would be small comfort to have the pup's bills paid if the other
dog killed it. If you are present when the attack occurs, and if
your dog is leashed and the attacker is not, I would think it's
perfectly acceptable to take a baseball bat after the attacking
dog, especially if it's on your property. Your pup is your
property. Nobody has the right to attack him, man nor beast. The
previous contributor is right, I think, in saying that if you were
to go after the attacking dog after the attack, and try to kill it,
then you would be in hot water. If you were to injure the other
dog, say, on your property and your dog was tied up, and the
attacker was not..I wouldn't hesitate to defend my dog as best I
could. In fact, when I had dogs that I walked every night, I
carried a heavy walking stick to repel other dogs whose owners
thought the leash law didn't apply to them. It was easier to whack
them on the nose than to have my very large, powerful dog tear them
to pieces. I guess, as a lawyer might say, every case needs to be
judged on it's own merits. However, if a dog comes on my property
and attacks my dog, which is tied up according to the local
ordinance, I'll be right there with a baseball bat. If the leash
law applies to me, it must apply to everyone.
My God please don't think of killing another dog. When a dog does
something it shouldn't look at the owner.You should be reporting to
police & animal authority.The dog probably has unfit owners
& it would be better off with people who cares if it runs
lose.Go after owners of other dog they should be held
responsible,also they shouldn't own a dog.Best Of Luck
There are leash laws for a very good reason! If you have your dog
leashed and are walking down the street and a large dog attacks
your dog off-leash at least here in British Columbia you can have
the owner of that dog pay any vet bills should the small dog
survive, sue them, and the SPCA (Cdn) or ASPCA (U.S.) can have the
dog put down. Before people get a dog they should decide upon what
dog would be best suited for their home. Pit bulls have no place in
most households (although I'm going to get a fight on that one on
this board) because they were raised to fight in pit rings. There
are some nice Pit bulls, but, just like German Shepherds (used
during the war by the Germans) their thinking patterns could go off
at any given time no matter how good they have been. I have a
Bichon Frise (mild-mannered dog) and a Cockapoo (with an attitude
and is being trained ... he's male) and I would never think of
telling anyone "my dogs are great, they won't bite." It depends on
the circumstances of the dog.
However, I agree with the one poster that didn't want the dog
put down. The owner is at fault and should have had the dog on a
lead and a muzzle if needed. Put the owner down! I see many people
with muzzled dogs because they know their dog could and would bite
or go after a small dog.
OH and Blame the DEED not the BREED <---owner of a Pit Bull !!
Here in California, you don't always get compensated by the
court system when your puppy almost is killed by another person's
dog. I went to court, and the joke of a Judge Pro Tem didn't even
talk to my witnesses or take my evidence. She just wanted to know
why I took over a year to bring my case to court (which is still
within the statute of limitations here) and I told her why. The
rude jerk I was suing is getting a free pass on his violent dog and
I am screwed out of 600 bucks.
I always have my dogs on a leash in public and if someone's dog
came from their property to the street and attacked my two little
dogs I would do everything I could (including killing) that dog if
I had too! The laws are that your dog is contained on your property
or your dog is on a leash and that's as simple as it gets! No one
wants to out right kill a dog, but I've seen what large dogs can do
to small dogs and it's not a pretty sight and most little dogs
never survive the attack.
Odd, but where I live in British Columbia the most problems with
dogs off leash are owners of large dogs and dog breeds that come
with a bad reputation.
NEVER EVER EVER kill another dog even if you have to, if this dog
attacked your dog report it to the aspca immediatly. usually with
cases like this the attacker was probably never trained the right
way, it was probably showing early signs of agression and the owner
didn't do a thing about it. Most of these cases is mostly caused by
neglect. What I'm trying to say is a dog (even if it does something
bad like this case) never deserves to die you may be mad but let
ASPCA deal with it.I am not done yet, i cant believe evrything you
guys are talking about never go chasing down a dog with a baseball
bat you do not have the right to take another one of gods precious
animals out of this world!defending the dog still does not call for
killing the dog i understand the pup is your property then you take
good care of it my question to you is if your dog got of the leash
and you knew it had agression problems would you let the other
person kill if they did what would you do?next i was also reading
one of these posters and dogs yes have those instincts sometimes
but with the proper training the dog(German shepards or even
pitbulls)could get better. to end this never kill another dog
always look at the dogs owner and see if it had neglect or proper
training a dog never deserves to die for something not of his
I would check with your local laws to be completely sure.
Everyone should really research these things (laws concernings dog
attacks, dog bites, etc....i would) when getting a dog - just in
case! It's better to know what to do than not!
But you would think that if you were just walking down the
street with your dog on a leash, minding your own business, and
another dog comes out and attacks you or your pet...then yes, you
have every right to defend yourself and your dog. But people, use
common sense. If a dog attacks your dog, use objects to break them
apart and not yourself! Dog bites can be serious and an attacking
dog can turn it's aggression onto you if you just reach in. Do your
best to get them apart using a big stick, a pole, a trash can lid,
a hose...anything. And when the attacking dog relents, do not chase
it down the street waving whatever you used to break them apart.
Take care of your dog (and yourself) first, and let the authorities
deal with the attacking dog and it's owners. I am quite sure that
if you chased a dog down the street and to it's own house or
whatever and killed it, you would be in some trouble.
And if a dog attacks you or your pet on your own property, use
whatever you can to get rid of it. I am a dog lover but i draw the
line when strange dogs attack humans or other animals in the
persons own yard. Chances are you will not be punished if you kill
the dog. But again, you could be if you went after it after it left
In case of emergencies like that also try carrying pepper spray
or something similar to ward off attacking dogs. It may help.
i agree with the top poster with what you were saying BUT what
nobodies doing here is put yourself in the others persons place how
would you feel if your dog attacked another dog and the other
person killed it!!! another thing, i see if the dog was on your
property and if it attacks you FIGHT IT OFF!!!do not kill it first
of all if a dog is on your property shouldn't you call aspca?(a dog
you've never seen before that is) if you know the dog and the dogs
owner why don't you call the owner instead of trying to fend it off
yourself!!! if you try to fend it off yourself well yeah you might
get attacked depending on the dog.I also agree with what you were
saying about not using yourself yet again a good idea.if some
people would use common sense then some of these attacks wont
happen because if you go out in your yard with a strange dog there
what do you think will happen!
I left a post here saying I WOULD try to KILL ANY DOG that went
after my small dogs on our property or on a leash. I would do
anything to fend the other dog off, but dog fighting is so quick it
doesn't leave one time to make quick decision with the exception of
protecting your own pet as I would if I had a child with me that
was being attacked by a dog. Speaking of which people should wake
up and see the news more often and see the maulings of children by
Rottweilers and Pit Bulls. Some children are mauled so badly they
have 60 or more stitches and will need plastic surgery while other
children die on the spot. We just had a case last summer where two
girls were sitting at a bus stop and a Pit Bull came racing from
across the street and attacked one of the girls leaving her face
one bloody mess. Even after this the girl did not order the dog put
to death (the SPCA did that) and all hospital bills and plastic
surgery bills had to be paid by the owner and so it should be. A
friend of mine who lived in a trailer court was shocked to see a
German Shepherd attack a child (AND NO, the child was not teasing
the dog, but simply sitting in the backyard playing with toys. Not
only did the dog attack and maul the child, but dragged the child
down the middle of the trailer park road. My friend was quick
thinking and grabbed a 2 x 4 and whacked the dog on the side of the
ribs long enough to get the child away from the dog. It is highly
evident that many posters have not been smack in the middle of a
dog fight. I have! It's not a pretty sight. Be it a Pit Bull, or
larger dog that is aggressive you are not thinking at the time if
it's the owner's fault for not having their large dog trained
correctly, but trying to save your small dog. No one wants to kill
a dog, but if you have no other choices then so be it. I wouldn't
have a large dog maime my dog, then go over and shoot the owners
dog, but I would have the SPCA (here in Canada) take the dog from
their owner and have the owner pay all vet bills if my dog
survived. If my dog was killed by the other dog then you bet I'd
sue the owner and as far as I'm concerned people with larger dogs
who don't have them trained correctly should get a prison term if
the dog has done physical harm to another person without
It is not true that large dogs seldom do damage. While they may
be pussy cats around the common household some dogs feel very
protective of their property and owners. Male dogs are more
aggressive with each other if one is not neutured than if both dogs
I do believe Pit Bulls have gotten a bad reputation. It's
usually drug dealers (we have a problem in British Columbia with
Pit Bulls guarding houses that are grow-ops) and if you read up on
the Pit Bull you will soon find out the strength of their jaws AND
THEY WON'T LET GO! There have been write ups in the newspapers
stating that some police officers have had no alternative but to
shoot the Pit Bull and even then the Pit Bull refuse to release
their victim. IT IS THE OWNER that is at fault, but still, Pit
Bulls were bred for fighting and one must take into consideration
there is that 'urge' to fight without much warning. Even a good dog
trainer will tell you this. Pitt Bulls and ALL dogs should be taken
to training classes (good ones) and the dog should listen to any
order their owner gives them without hesitation. In most cases
people DO NOT get the training for their dogs and therefore I feel
they are not responsible owners. I have a Bichon Frise X female (22
lbs. and very muscular) but a great personality and a Cockapoo male
(neutered) that is 16 lbs. and can be fearful around larger dogs
and will dart at other dogs. He was still a pup at this time, but
since this time I have taken him for training and he listens to
command now. This in itself will help against dog fights.
Dogs while walking should be leashed!!! My husband and I go to a
Doggie Beach at Buntzen Lake and there are all breeds there and we
were shocked at how well Pit Bulls actually got along with other
dogs and how happy they were (Pit Bulls love fun and have a good
sense of humor) and the very dogs that caused problems and were
kicked off the enclosed Doggie Beach were two Dobermans! We have
been going to this beach for 5 years and only seen one altercation
of a dog fight.
When I take my dogs for a walk I will go to an area that I can
take them off leash. If I see anyone with or without a dog I put my
dogs back on leash. I also carry pepper spray, but have not had to
use it yet! As much as an owner of a Pit Bull or any other large
breed of dog, I too take full responsibility for my own dogs. I
watch for signs from my dogs or someone elses dogs: hair ridged up
on their back; intense eye contact; tail straight as a poker or
teeth bared. These are all signs of aggression so the owner should
be prepared to have their dog on leash and well trained or, if the
other dog is not well trained shout out to the owner to put their
dog on a leash. I will admit that I can't even walk down my
neighborhood street with my dogs on a leash without two or three
dogs coming off their property and rushing up to my dogs. Most of
the time the dogs are harmless, but one never knows.
Yes, I feel it's time we learn about some of the troublesome
breeds and what the proper order is of being a pet owner. Before
even buying a dog a family needs to sit together and decide what
type of dog best fits their family. Many people get a 'high' off of
owning Pit Bulls, Dobermans, German Shepherds and I must say most
of them are men. Some of these men are young and they WANT their
Pit Bulls or Dobermans to be aggressive. I feel there should be
laws when breeders interview the people they are thinking of
selling a Pitt Bull or any aggressive breed of dog too. All it's
about is money by some breeders and they don't care about how the
dog will be treated by their new owners. I think there should be a
law that ALL dogs are sent to training and this includes dogs 12
lbs. and over.
Here is some helpful tips by a popular trainer:
Fights Between Dogs -- How to Avoid and Stop Them
Following are excerpts from a recent PetLife article (part 1), a
summary of a video program from trainer Ian Dunbar (part 2), and
quick tips for avoiding and stopping fights between dogs (parts 3
Also, be sure to see last week's tip about Bite Inhibition. You
can find it on the PAW website under Pet Tips. Also, watch for next
week's tip, which will cover ways to reduce aggression between dogs
in the same household.
1. From "Ready to Rumble" by Cherie Langlois in the February
2003 issue of PetLife:
While some breeds developed for fighting or protection may be
more included to quarrel, dogs of any breed can get into fights.
"It depends more on the dog's temperament, training and
socialization," said trainer Adam Katz of Austin, Texas, owner of
www.Dogproblems.com. A dog who is not well-socialized might have
dominant body language and stare other dogs right in the eyes,
which is perceived as a direct challenge.
It's a mistake to assume your dog won't fight. "The issue isn't
whether your dog is or isn't nice; it's how the two dogs'
temperaments interrelate," Katz said.
Said Trish King, animal behavior and training director for the
Marin (California) Humane Society: "These dogs aren't necessarily
aggressive when they're off leash, but tend to lunge, bark and
posture when they are on leash."
Avoid scary conflicts by staying alert and keeping your dog
under a short leash and voice control at all times. Some owners
take the additional step of not allowing their dog to look or sniff
at another dog.
Teaching a dog early on that he can't visit with every canine he
meets is one good way owners can prevent leash aggression. Teach
the dog not to pull on the leash, and to sit and wait for
permission before greeting another dog. Basic obedience training
and behavior modification with positive reinforcement can help
prevent fights. Katz said, "If the dog is looking at me and paying
attention, he canUt engage another dog."
Along with leashing and good training, owners can avoid
conflicts by keeping their pets from roaming, neutering young dogs
before one year of age, and socializing their dogs during the
critical puppyhood stage between six to eight weeks of age.
Some fights occur with little warning, but often you can spot
behaviors that signal trouble ahead, so use that opportunity to
keep a fight from breaking out.
Watch for these behavioral cues to see if a fight is
- A hard, unwavering, targeted stare.
- Dominance posturing, such as mounting.
- Stiff body movements.
- Extreme body language: the tail held stiffly up or down, lips
pulled tight against the teeth.
When facing an oncoming aggressive dog, you might shout "NO!" to
repel him. If the dog continues to approach, drastic measures may
be needed. Katz suggests owners carry a stun gun, which they should
aim into the air, not at the dog. The stun gun hits sound
frequencies that dogs hear, which can stop a dog from fighting.
Another technique is to spray cayenne pepper at the dog's nose and
eyes (however, pepper spray can cause injury and further anger an
aggressive dog). King prefers a harmless citronella spray repellent
called Direct Stop.
If a fight ensues, keep in mind that dogs tend to establish a
social hierarchy soon after they meet. Scuffles to determine top
dog can involve heavy barking and growling. However, real fights
can take place, in which a dog latches onto another dog or
otherwise injures him. Intense fights can be silent.
If you intervene, do not put your hands anywhere near the dogs'
heads or get between them to avoid getting bitten yourself. If
another person is available, King recommends each person picks a
dog and grabs its tail or hind legs, pulling back and up until the
dog loosens its grip. The grabber should then move away quickly.
There is some risk, since dogs will sometimes turn and bite whoever
is hanging on to them.
Prevention, of course, is the best approach. "Prevention --
keeping your dog safe and providing good leadership -- is the most
important job a dog owner has," said King.
2. From Dr. Dunbar's Video "Dog Aggression: Fighting":
Dogs react fast, and sometimes get angry toward each other, just
like people. The difference is that dogs respond immediately then,
typically, forget about it once the disagreement is resolved.
Some 90% of a puppyUs time is spent biting other puppies. This
is part of developing bite inhibition, in which young dogs learn
how to control their jaws. The optimal time for dogs to develop
bite inhibition is between two and four and a half months of age.
Dogs need free play as puppies with puppies and mother dog to
develop their bite inhibition. (See last week's Tip on Bite
Inhibition, which is posted on the PAW website under Pet Tips.)
Dunbar cites some general principles:
- Dogs initiate fighting when they do not feel secure around
- The top dog knows he's boss and usually is able assert rank
within 3 seconds. Usually, the top dog does not have to resort to
actual fighting to prove his point.
- Middle-ranking order male dogs feel insecure and in need of
- Females have the potential to engage in fights, and to be as
tenacious as males. When females fight with female or male dogs,
often it's to gain a possession.
- Dogs perceive neutered dogs as less of a threat. With male
dogs, neutering reduces the chances dogs will bite and neutering is
linked with a reduction in several kinds of aggression.
- Dogs may also display aggression to dogs who approach them
outside, especially when their owner gets tense in the presence of
other dogs and yanks on the dog's collar. For example, the dog may
be communicating to the other dog: "Go away! When dogs like you
appear, my owner gets upset and gives me a punishment."
- Dogs growl at younger dogs in an attempt to put youngsters in
their place. By the way, many male dogs have testosterone peaks
between 10 months and one year of age, explaining why they seem
more hyper. Dogs can smell testosterone.
- When dogs growl at younger dogs, this leads to the development
of active appeasement on the part of the lower-ranking dog. The
lower-ranking dog learns to show deference, which signals that he
understands and respects the hierarchy. So then, typically, the
older/more dominant dog will let the youngster play.
- Playing is more than having fun for dogs; it's a way to compete
and a way to establish rank.
Positive steps you can take:
- Socialize your pup. You can keep him nearby when you're home by
tethering him to you with a leash. Praise the dog whenever he does
good, and whenever he stops aggressive look or other undesirable
- Most people ignore good behavior. But it is important to praise
and reward good behavior in order to encourage the dog to repeat
it. Solicit and praise good behavior, instead of punishing the
- Dunbar suggests teaching the command, "GENTLY," which can be
useful in diverting dogs from a fight. "SIT" and "OFF" are also
important commands. It is important to be able to redirect your
dog's attention to you -- and thus away from another dog who may be
engaging in challenging eye contact and aggressive or otherwise
- Do not tense up with the leash or yell during the approach of
another dog. That can make your dog associate the sight of another
dog with punishment.
- Remember that timing is everything, and that it is crucial for
you to develop the ability to redirect your dogUs attention back to
By the way, Dunbar cautions against using tranquilizers, which
affect bite inhibition (a learned behavior). You want the dog to be
able to inhibit his own bite.
Some people attend "growl classes" with their aggressive dogs,
at which they work on moderating the dogUs reactive behavior. The
dogs wear muzzles and the owners keep them on leash until the end
of the classes, at which point participants work the dogs off
leash. DunbarUs video included footage from a "growl" class.
3. Tips for avoiding fights:
- Behavior modification work with your dogs is essential. Be sure
to watch for next week's tip, "Aggression Between Dogs in the Same
- Never allow any dog to achieve dominant status over any adult
or child. If dogs always know their social ranking and are never
allowed to challenge people, they will usually be good family
members, advises Gary L. Clemons, DVM.
- Feed dogs in separate areas, rooms or in their own crates.
- Do not toss treats out to dogs. Instead, have each dog obey a
command, such as sit, individually, and give the treat right after
- If any chance dogs will fight over toys, don't give the dogs
toys unless they are in separate locations.
- Do not give dogs toys that fanatically excite them.
- Carry a small, automatic umbrella. You can pop this open
between your dog and an incoming one of you fear a problem. It
provides a surprise and a hiding place.
- Some dog handlers carry water pistols and water cannons.
- One Great Dane owner uses a cookie sheet to deter dogs from
engaging in a fight. She has slipped the pan between the aggressing
dogs, as well as banged on it to create a distracting noise.
- One multiple dog owner always keeps a sturdy buckle collar on
the dogs, which provides a sturdy handle if needed.
- Don't permit tug-of-war or aggressive wrestling. These games
can quickly escalate into a fight.
- Don't give dogs rawhides, pig hooves or other highly coveted
goodies. At the very least, don't allow dogs free access to them.
The dogs are likely to fight over them.
4. Ideas for breaking up a fight:
The way fighting dogs should be separated depends on the
individual dogs as well as their typical breed characteristics. For
example, pit bull specialists advise use of a strong "breaking
stick" inserted into the mouth of bull-breed dogs, but not for
other kinds of dogs.
Be aware that a dog embroiled in a fight might bite someone who
grabs him or who comes between the fighting dogs.
- Try pouring water over fighting dogs. Turning a hose on the
dogs works better than dumping a container on them.
- Some dogs will stop fighting if you squirt them with a water
bottle filled with vinegar, which breaks their concentration. Some
folks use water cannons, citronella spray, pepper spray (note:
pepper spray, or mace, can cause injury and worsen the situation),
airhorns or even stun guns.
- Avoid putting your hands near the dogs' heads or getting
between them to avoid getting bitten yourself. If another person is
available, Trish King recommends each person picks a dog and grabs
its tail or hind legs, pulling back and up until the dog loosens
its grip. The grabber should then move away quickly. There is some
risk, since dogs will sometimes turn and bite whoever is hanging on
Another technique for breaking up a fight when two person are
available: One person attempts to immobilize the hindquarters of
the dog while grasping the collar from behind. For certain breeds
such as pit bull breeds, it is recommended to wedge a wedge-shaped
breaking stick into the side of the dog's mouth. Before attempting
this, study up on the information about breaking up dog fights on