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Can you kill a dog if it attacks your pup which is on a leash and the other dog is not?

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This is to add to the question, wat if ur pup is not on a leash?

but it is still in ur yard?

"Talk_to_the_owner" id="Talk_to_the_owner">Talk to the

owner

You could, but the owner of the dog (if there is one) could sue.

So, if it has an owner (or collar), I would talk to the owner about

either training the dog to behave or keeping in the backyard. If it

doesn't have an owner, you could kill it but it wouldn't be morally

right. Consider calling animal control instead.

"Owners_are_to_blame" id="Owners_are_to_blame">Owners are to

blame

Blame the owners, not the dog! There are only a very few cases

where a dog accidentally gets out of an enclosed yard. It's the

owners who have not taken their dog to obedience training and to

learn commands and one of those commands is for the dog to stay on

it's own property.

There is something wrong with any dog that would actually attack

a puppy. I wouldn't have a dog like that as my pet.

I wouldn't want to have to kill a dog either, but if it meant my

small dogs against some brute of a dog I would do anything in my

power to save my dogs! If you harm or kill that dog you will

not be charged because the owner of that dog has broken the law

by not securing that dog and your dog was on a leash.

"Answer" id="Answer">Answer

I think it is legal, but why would you want to kill a dog that

would probably be a very good dog if it had the right owners.

That's messed to even think of that solution.

Answer

yes if its on your property.that's legal. no if your out of your

yard. personally id find it hard to kill it but i could understand

your fear or rage .may i ask? what did u do?

The law as I understand it is- if your "property" (pet,

livestock,structure, car, other) is being damaged or destroyed,

you, the property owner, can act to protect & defend your

property.

On public property, i.e. a sidewalk or park, you may still

"protect" your property if it is clearly under your control, such

as a pet on a leash.

If in the process of "protecting" your property, it results in

the injury or death of the attacking animal, that may still be

legal, depending on whether the intent was to "protect and defend"

or to "injure and/or kill" out of anger.

If an attack on your property (pet) has occurred and where

defense and protection are too late, it is best to let the legal

system decide what course of action to take.

The question may need rephrasing to something like- Can you

defend and protect your animal on a leash from being injured or

killed by a free ranging animal?

"Answer" id="Answer">Answer

You can probably report it to the police or animal services. They

will investigate and find out who's was at fault, etc. At the very

least you could get your pups vet bills paid. They could order the

dog to be put to sleep. But you can't go kill the dog yourself. Or

take it and have it done. You can't touch the other persons dog.

You would get in more trouble than they would for the dog attacking

your pup. But you also need to remember that a dog is trained and

only knows what it's taught. Or not taught. It's really not the

other dogs fault, in most cases. It's usually neglect or ignorance

on the owners part.

"Answer" id="Answer">Answer

It would be small comfort to have the pup's bills paid if the other

dog killed it. If you are present when the attack occurs, and if

your dog is leashed and the attacker is not, I would think it's

perfectly acceptable to take a baseball bat after the attacking

dog, especially if it's on your property. Your pup is your

property. Nobody has the right to attack him, man nor beast. The

previous contributor is right, I think, in saying that if you were

to go after the attacking dog after the attack, and try to kill it,

then you would be in hot water. If you were to injure the other

dog, say, on your property and your dog was tied up, and the

attacker was not..I wouldn't hesitate to defend my dog as best I

could. In fact, when I had dogs that I walked every night, I

carried a heavy walking stick to repel other dogs whose owners

thought the leash law didn't apply to them. It was easier to whack

them on the nose than to have my very large, powerful dog tear them

to pieces. I guess, as a lawyer might say, every case needs to be

judged on it's own merits. However, if a dog comes on my property

and attacks my dog, which is tied up according to the local

ordinance, I'll be right there with a baseball bat. If the leash

law applies to me, it must apply to everyone.

"Answer" id="Answer">Answer

My God please don't think of killing another dog. When a dog does

something it shouldn't look at the owner.You should be reporting to

police & animal authority.The dog probably has unfit owners

& it would be better off with people who cares if it runs

lose.Go after owners of other dog they should be held

responsible,also they shouldn't own a dog.Best Of Luck

"Answer" id="Answer">Answer

There are leash laws for a very good reason! If you have your dog

leashed and are walking down the street and a large dog attacks

your dog off-leash at least here in British Columbia you can have

the owner of that dog pay any vet bills should the small dog

survive, sue them, and the SPCA (Cdn) or ASPCA (U.S.) can have the

dog put down. Before people get a dog they should decide upon what

dog would be best suited for their home. Pit bulls have no place in

most households (although I'm going to get a fight on that one on

this board) because they were raised to fight in pit rings. There

are some nice Pit bulls, but, just like German Shepherds (used

during the war by the Germans) their thinking patterns could go off

at any given time no matter how good they have been. I have a

Bichon Frise (mild-mannered dog) and a Cockapoo (with an attitude

and is being trained ... he's male) and I would never think of

telling anyone "my dogs are great, they won't bite." It depends on

the circumstances of the dog.

However, I agree with the one poster that didn't want the dog

put down. The owner is at fault and should have had the dog on a

lead and a muzzle if needed. Put the owner down! I see many people

with muzzled dogs because they know their dog could and would bite

or go after a small dog.

"Answer" id="Answer">Answer

OH and Blame the DEED not the BREED <---owner of a Pit Bull !!

Here in California, you don't always get compensated by the

court system when your puppy almost is killed by another person's

dog. I went to court, and the joke of a Judge Pro Tem didn't even

talk to my witnesses or take my evidence. She just wanted to know

why I took over a year to bring my case to court (which is still

within the statute of limitations here) and I told her why. The

rude jerk I was suing is getting a free pass on his violent dog and

I am screwed out of 600 bucks.

"Answer" id="Answer">Answer

I always have my dogs on a leash in public and if someone's dog

came from their property to the street and attacked my two little

dogs I would do everything I could (including killing) that dog if

I had too! The laws are that your dog is contained on your property

or your dog is on a leash and that's as simple as it gets! No one

wants to out right kill a dog, but I've seen what large dogs can do

to small dogs and it's not a pretty sight and most little dogs

never survive the attack.

Odd, but where I live in British Columbia the most problems with

dogs off leash are owners of large dogs and dog breeds that come

with a bad reputation.

"Answer" id="Answer">Answer

NEVER EVER EVER kill another dog even if you have to, if this dog

attacked your dog report it to the aspca immediatly. usually with

cases like this the attacker was probably never trained the right

way, it was probably showing early signs of agression and the owner

didn't do a thing about it. Most of these cases is mostly caused by

neglect. What I'm trying to say is a dog (even if it does something

bad like this case) never deserves to die you may be mad but let

ASPCA deal with it.I am not done yet, i cant believe evrything you

guys are talking about never go chasing down a dog with a baseball

bat you do not have the right to take another one of gods precious

animals out of this world!defending the dog still does not call for

killing the dog i understand the pup is your property then you take

good care of it my question to you is if your dog got of the leash

and you knew it had agression problems would you let the other

person kill if they did what would you do?next i was also reading

one of these posters and dogs yes have those instincts sometimes

but with the proper training the dog(German shepards or even

pitbulls)could get better. to end this never kill another dog

always look at the dogs owner and see if it had neglect or proper

training a dog never deserves to die for something not of his

fault.

ANSWER

I would check with your local laws to be completely sure.

Everyone should really research these things (laws concernings dog

attacks, dog bites, etc....i would) when getting a dog - just in

case! It's better to know what to do than not!

But you would think that if you were just walking down the

street with your dog on a leash, minding your own business, and

another dog comes out and attacks you or your pet...then yes, you

have every right to defend yourself and your dog. But people, use

common sense. If a dog attacks your dog, use objects to break them

apart and not yourself! Dog bites can be serious and an attacking

dog can turn it's aggression onto you if you just reach in. Do your

best to get them apart using a big stick, a pole, a trash can lid,

a hose...anything. And when the attacking dog relents, do not chase

it down the street waving whatever you used to break them apart.

Take care of your dog (and yourself) first, and let the authorities

deal with the attacking dog and it's owners. I am quite sure that

if you chased a dog down the street and to it's own house or

whatever and killed it, you would be in some trouble.

And if a dog attacks you or your pet on your own property, use

whatever you can to get rid of it. I am a dog lover but i draw the

line when strange dogs attack humans or other animals in the

persons own yard. Chances are you will not be punished if you kill

the dog. But again, you could be if you went after it after it left

your property.

In case of emergencies like that also try carrying pepper spray

or something similar to ward off attacking dogs. It may help.

"Answer" id="Answer">Answer

i agree with the top poster with what you were saying BUT what

nobodies doing here is put yourself in the others persons place how

would you feel if your dog attacked another dog and the other

person killed it!!! another thing, i see if the dog was on your

property and if it attacks you FIGHT IT OFF!!!do not kill it first

of all if a dog is on your property shouldn't you call aspca?(a dog

you've never seen before that is) if you know the dog and the dogs

owner why don't you call the owner instead of trying to fend it off

yourself!!! if you try to fend it off yourself well yeah you might

get attacked depending on the dog.I also agree with what you were

saying about not using yourself yet again a good idea.if some

people would use common sense then some of these attacks wont

happen because if you go out in your yard with a strange dog there

what do you think will happen!

"Answer" id="Answer">Answer

I left a post here saying I WOULD try to KILL ANY DOG that went

after my small dogs on our property or on a leash. I would do

anything to fend the other dog off, but dog fighting is so quick it

doesn't leave one time to make quick decision with the exception of

protecting your own pet as I would if I had a child with me that

was being attacked by a dog. Speaking of which people should wake

up and see the news more often and see the maulings of children by

Rottweilers and Pit Bulls. Some children are mauled so badly they

have 60 or more stitches and will need plastic surgery while other

children die on the spot. We just had a case last summer where two

girls were sitting at a bus stop and a Pit Bull came racing from

across the street and attacked one of the girls leaving her face

one bloody mess. Even after this the girl did not order the dog put

to death (the SPCA did that) and all hospital bills and plastic

surgery bills had to be paid by the owner and so it should be. A

friend of mine who lived in a trailer court was shocked to see a

German Shepherd attack a child (AND NO, the child was not teasing

the dog, but simply sitting in the backyard playing with toys. Not

only did the dog attack and maul the child, but dragged the child

down the middle of the trailer park road. My friend was quick

thinking and grabbed a 2 x 4 and whacked the dog on the side of the

ribs long enough to get the child away from the dog. It is highly

evident that many posters have not been smack in the middle of a

dog fight. I have! It's not a pretty sight. Be it a Pit Bull, or

larger dog that is aggressive you are not thinking at the time if

it's the owner's fault for not having their large dog trained

correctly, but trying to save your small dog. No one wants to kill

a dog, but if you have no other choices then so be it. I wouldn't

have a large dog maime my dog, then go over and shoot the owners

dog, but I would have the SPCA (here in Canada) take the dog from

their owner and have the owner pay all vet bills if my dog

survived. If my dog was killed by the other dog then you bet I'd

sue the owner and as far as I'm concerned people with larger dogs

who don't have them trained correctly should get a prison term if

the dog has done physical harm to another person without

provocation.

It is not true that large dogs seldom do damage. While they may

be pussy cats around the common household some dogs feel very

protective of their property and owners. Male dogs are more

aggressive with each other if one is not neutured than if both dogs

were neutured.

I do believe Pit Bulls have gotten a bad reputation. It's

usually drug dealers (we have a problem in British Columbia with

Pit Bulls guarding houses that are grow-ops) and if you read up on

the Pit Bull you will soon find out the strength of their jaws AND

THEY WON'T LET GO! There have been write ups in the newspapers

stating that some police officers have had no alternative but to

shoot the Pit Bull and even then the Pit Bull refuse to release

their victim. IT IS THE OWNER that is at fault, but still, Pit

Bulls were bred for fighting and one must take into consideration

there is that 'urge' to fight without much warning. Even a good dog

trainer will tell you this. Pitt Bulls and ALL dogs should be taken

to training classes (good ones) and the dog should listen to any

order their owner gives them without hesitation. In most cases

people DO NOT get the training for their dogs and therefore I feel

they are not responsible owners. I have a Bichon Frise X female (22

lbs. and very muscular) but a great personality and a Cockapoo male

(neutered) that is 16 lbs. and can be fearful around larger dogs

and will dart at other dogs. He was still a pup at this time, but

since this time I have taken him for training and he listens to

command now. This in itself will help against dog fights.

Dogs while walking should be leashed!!! My husband and I go to a

Doggie Beach at Buntzen Lake and there are all breeds there and we

were shocked at how well Pit Bulls actually got along with other

dogs and how happy they were (Pit Bulls love fun and have a good

sense of humor) and the very dogs that caused problems and were

kicked off the enclosed Doggie Beach were two Dobermans! We have

been going to this beach for 5 years and only seen one altercation

of a dog fight.

When I take my dogs for a walk I will go to an area that I can

take them off leash. If I see anyone with or without a dog I put my

dogs back on leash. I also carry pepper spray, but have not had to

use it yet! As much as an owner of a Pit Bull or any other large

breed of dog, I too take full responsibility for my own dogs. I

watch for signs from my dogs or someone elses dogs: hair ridged up

on their back; intense eye contact; tail straight as a poker or

teeth bared. These are all signs of aggression so the owner should

be prepared to have their dog on leash and well trained or, if the

other dog is not well trained shout out to the owner to put their

dog on a leash. I will admit that I can't even walk down my

neighborhood street with my dogs on a leash without two or three

dogs coming off their property and rushing up to my dogs. Most of

the time the dogs are harmless, but one never knows.

Yes, I feel it's time we learn about some of the troublesome

breeds and what the proper order is of being a pet owner. Before

even buying a dog a family needs to sit together and decide what

type of dog best fits their family. Many people get a 'high' off of

owning Pit Bulls, Dobermans, German Shepherds and I must say most

of them are men. Some of these men are young and they WANT their

Pit Bulls or Dobermans to be aggressive. I feel there should be

laws when breeders interview the people they are thinking of

selling a Pitt Bull or any aggressive breed of dog too. All it's

about is money by some breeders and they don't care about how the

dog will be treated by their new owners. I think there should be a

law that ALL dogs are sent to training and this includes dogs 12

lbs. and over.

Here is some helpful tips by a popular trainer:

Fights Between Dogs -- How to Avoid and Stop Them

Following are excerpts from a recent PetLife article (part 1), a

summary of a video program from trainer Ian Dunbar (part 2), and

quick tips for avoiding and stopping fights between dogs (parts 3

and 4).

Also, be sure to see last week's tip about Bite Inhibition. You

can find it on the PAW website under Pet Tips. Also, watch for next

week's tip, which will cover ways to reduce aggression between dogs

in the same household.

1. From "Ready to Rumble" by Cherie Langlois in the February

2003 issue of PetLife:

While some breeds developed for fighting or protection may be

more included to quarrel, dogs of any breed can get into fights.

"It depends more on the dog's temperament, training and

socialization," said trainer Adam Katz of Austin, Texas, owner of

www.Dogproblems.com. A dog who is not well-socialized might have

dominant body language and stare other dogs right in the eyes,

which is perceived as a direct challenge.

It's a mistake to assume your dog won't fight. "The issue isn't

whether your dog is or isn't nice; it's how the two dogs'

temperaments interrelate," Katz said.

Said Trish King, animal behavior and training director for the

Marin (California) Humane Society: "These dogs aren't necessarily

aggressive when they're off leash, but tend to lunge, bark and

posture when they are on leash."

Avoid scary conflicts by staying alert and keeping your dog

under a short leash and voice control at all times. Some owners

take the additional step of not allowing their dog to look or sniff

at another dog.

Teaching a dog early on that he can't visit with every canine he

meets is one good way owners can prevent leash aggression. Teach

the dog not to pull on the leash, and to sit and wait for

permission before greeting another dog. Basic obedience training

and behavior modification with positive reinforcement can help

prevent fights. Katz said, "If the dog is looking at me and paying

attention, he canUt engage another dog."

Along with leashing and good training, owners can avoid

conflicts by keeping their pets from roaming, neutering young dogs

before one year of age, and socializing their dogs during the

critical puppyhood stage between six to eight weeks of age.

Some fights occur with little warning, but often you can spot

behaviors that signal trouble ahead, so use that opportunity to

keep a fight from breaking out.

Watch for these behavioral cues to see if a fight is

imminent:

  • A hard, unwavering, targeted stare.

  • Dominance posturing, such as mounting.

  • Stiff body movements.

  • Extreme body language: the tail held stiffly up or down, lips

    pulled tight against the teeth.

When facing an oncoming aggressive dog, you might shout "NO!" to

repel him. If the dog continues to approach, drastic measures may

be needed. Katz suggests owners carry a stun gun, which they should

aim into the air, not at the dog. The stun gun hits sound

frequencies that dogs hear, which can stop a dog from fighting.

Another technique is to spray cayenne pepper at the dog's nose and

eyes (however, pepper spray can cause injury and further anger an

aggressive dog). King prefers a harmless citronella spray repellent

called Direct Stop.

If a fight ensues, keep in mind that dogs tend to establish a

social hierarchy soon after they meet. Scuffles to determine top

dog can involve heavy barking and growling. However, real fights

can take place, in which a dog latches onto another dog or

otherwise injures him. Intense fights can be silent.

If you intervene, do not put your hands anywhere near the dogs'

heads or get between them to avoid getting bitten yourself. If

another person is available, King recommends each person picks a

dog and grabs its tail or hind legs, pulling back and up until the

dog loosens its grip. The grabber should then move away quickly.

There is some risk, since dogs will sometimes turn and bite whoever

is hanging on to them.

Prevention, of course, is the best approach. "Prevention --

keeping your dog safe and providing good leadership -- is the most

important job a dog owner has," said King.

2. From Dr. Dunbar's Video "Dog Aggression: Fighting":

Dogs react fast, and sometimes get angry toward each other, just

like people. The difference is that dogs respond immediately then,

typically, forget about it once the disagreement is resolved.

Some 90% of a puppyUs time is spent biting other puppies. This

is part of developing bite inhibition, in which young dogs learn

how to control their jaws. The optimal time for dogs to develop

bite inhibition is between two and four and a half months of age.

Dogs need free play as puppies with puppies and mother dog to

develop their bite inhibition. (See last week's Tip on Bite

Inhibition, which is posted on the PAW website under Pet Tips.)

Dunbar cites some general principles:

  • Dogs initiate fighting when they do not feel secure around

    other dogs.

  • The top dog knows he's boss and usually is able assert rank

    within 3 seconds. Usually, the top dog does not have to resort to

    actual fighting to prove his point.

  • Middle-ranking order male dogs feel insecure and in need of

    proving something.

  • Females have the potential to engage in fights, and to be as

    tenacious as males. When females fight with female or male dogs,

    often it's to gain a possession.

  • Dogs perceive neutered dogs as less of a threat. With male

    dogs, neutering reduces the chances dogs will bite and neutering is

    linked with a reduction in several kinds of aggression.

  • Dogs may also display aggression to dogs who approach them

    outside, especially when their owner gets tense in the presence of

    other dogs and yanks on the dog's collar. For example, the dog may

    be communicating to the other dog: "Go away! When dogs like you

    appear, my owner gets upset and gives me a punishment."

  • Dogs growl at younger dogs in an attempt to put youngsters in

    their place. By the way, many male dogs have testosterone peaks

    between 10 months and one year of age, explaining why they seem

    more hyper. Dogs can smell testosterone.

  • When dogs growl at younger dogs, this leads to the development

    of active appeasement on the part of the lower-ranking dog. The

    lower-ranking dog learns to show deference, which signals that he

    understands and respects the hierarchy. So then, typically, the

    older/more dominant dog will let the youngster play.

  • Playing is more than having fun for dogs; it's a way to compete

    and a way to establish rank.

Positive steps you can take:

  • Socialize your pup. You can keep him nearby when you're home by

    tethering him to you with a leash. Praise the dog whenever he does

    good, and whenever he stops aggressive look or other undesirable

    behavior.

  • Most people ignore good behavior. But it is important to praise

    and reward good behavior in order to encourage the dog to repeat

    it. Solicit and praise good behavior, instead of punishing the

    bad.

  • Dunbar suggests teaching the command, "GENTLY," which can be

    useful in diverting dogs from a fight. "SIT" and "OFF" are also

    important commands. It is important to be able to redirect your

    dog's attention to you -- and thus away from another dog who may be

    engaging in challenging eye contact and aggressive or otherwise

    undesirable behaviors.

  • Do not tense up with the leash or yell during the approach of

    another dog. That can make your dog associate the sight of another

    dog with punishment.

  • Remember that timing is everything, and that it is crucial for

    you to develop the ability to redirect your dogUs attention back to

    you.

By the way, Dunbar cautions against using tranquilizers, which

affect bite inhibition (a learned behavior). You want the dog to be

able to inhibit his own bite.

Some people attend "growl classes" with their aggressive dogs,

at which they work on moderating the dogUs reactive behavior. The

dogs wear muzzles and the owners keep them on leash until the end

of the classes, at which point participants work the dogs off

leash. DunbarUs video included footage from a "growl" class.

3. Tips for avoiding fights:

  • Behavior modification work with your dogs is essential. Be sure

    to watch for next week's tip, "Aggression Between Dogs in the Same

    Household."

  • Never allow any dog to achieve dominant status over any adult

    or child. If dogs always know their social ranking and are never

    allowed to challenge people, they will usually be good family

    members, advises Gary L. Clemons, DVM.

  • Feed dogs in separate areas, rooms or in their own crates.

  • Do not toss treats out to dogs. Instead, have each dog obey a

    command, such as sit, individually, and give the treat right after

    he/she obeys.

  • If any chance dogs will fight over toys, don't give the dogs

    toys unless they are in separate locations.

  • Do not give dogs toys that fanatically excite them.

  • Carry a small, automatic umbrella. You can pop this open

    between your dog and an incoming one of you fear a problem. It

    provides a surprise and a hiding place.

  • Some dog handlers carry water pistols and water cannons.

  • One Great Dane owner uses a cookie sheet to deter dogs from

    engaging in a fight. She has slipped the pan between the aggressing

    dogs, as well as banged on it to create a distracting noise.

  • One multiple dog owner always keeps a sturdy buckle collar on

    the dogs, which provides a sturdy handle if needed.

  • Don't permit tug-of-war or aggressive wrestling. These games

    can quickly escalate into a fight.

  • Don't give dogs rawhides, pig hooves or other highly coveted

    goodies. At the very least, don't allow dogs free access to them.

    The dogs are likely to fight over them.

4. Ideas for breaking up a fight:

The way fighting dogs should be separated depends on the

individual dogs as well as their typical breed characteristics. For

example, pit bull specialists advise use of a strong "breaking

stick" inserted into the mouth of bull-breed dogs, but not for

other kinds of dogs.

Be aware that a dog embroiled in a fight might bite someone who

grabs him or who comes between the fighting dogs.

  • Try pouring water over fighting dogs. Turning a hose on the

    dogs works better than dumping a container on them.

  • Some dogs will stop fighting if you squirt them with a water

    bottle filled with vinegar, which breaks their concentration. Some

    folks use water cannons, citronella spray, pepper spray (note:

    pepper spray, or mace, can cause injury and worsen the situation),

    airhorns or even stun guns.

  • Avoid putting your hands near the dogs' heads or getting

    between them to avoid getting bitten yourself. If another person is

    available, Trish King recommends each person picks a dog and grabs

    its tail or hind legs, pulling back and up until the dog loosens

    its grip. The grabber should then move away quickly. There is some

    risk, since dogs will sometimes turn and bite whoever is hanging on

    to them.

Another technique for breaking up a fight when two person are

available: One person attempts to immobilize the hindquarters of

the dog while grasping the collar from behind. For certain breeds

such as pit bull breeds, it is recommended to wedge a wedge-shaped

breaking stick into the side of the dog's mouth. Before attempting

this, study up on the information about breaking up dog fights on

www.pbrc.net.


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