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A with any damascus shotguns only black powder should be used,however rifles may possibly be used after a complete check by a qualified gun smith

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Q: Can you shoot with a Fine Damascus fancy drilling with modern ammo or only black powder?
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Is the smokeless powder steel and damascus the same?

No. "Smokeless powder steel" or fluid steel, or other terms, mean modern, billet steel. Damascus, twist, or welded barrels are made of forge-welded twisted wire and rods. There are potential weak spots in the twists, and over time, burning propellant and corrosive residue eat at the gaps and make them more prominent. Eventually, the barrel will fail. Damascus barrels are only safe with custom black powder loaded cartridges within their pressure limits, NOT with modern ammunition. There is a strong risk of a chamber explosion.


What kind of shells can you shoot in a sam Holt damascus double barrel 20 gauge?

Most old Damascus barrels cannot hold the pressures of modern smokeless loads. I doubt that you will find any black powder loads for that type of barrel. Hang it on the wall and admire it.


Can a Ithaca with a damasks barrel be shot with modern shotgun shells?

NO!!! modern powder is slow burning as compared to black powder and produces to much pressure for that type of steel process (Damascus is folded in the manufacturing process therefore laminated) and will cause the barrel to come apart which is like having a bomb in your hands


How much is black powder for a barrett m82?

The Barrett M82 doesn't use black powder - it uses modern smokeless powder.


How do you know if you have damascus barrels?

Quite often the shotgun will tell you how the barrels are made. If it says "twist" or "laminated" or "damascus", then it is one of the types generally called damascus. If it says "armory", "forged", or "fluid" then it is a more modern construction. Damascus barrels will show a pattern, although it can be covered with bluing or the pattern can be simulated. You can check by removing the forearm and polishing a small spot on the bottom of the barrel. This will remove either the bluing that hides the pattern or the simulated damascus pattern. As far as safety, the best damascus constructed barrels are stronger than a low-quality fluid steel barrel, and probably equal to most when new. But time will weaken the welds, so it is wise to retire an old damascus gun unless you know it has had proper care for its entire lifetime. Since your gun is marked for smokeless powder, it is PROBABLY fluid steel and PROBABLY has 2 3/4" chambers, but if you intend to shoot it, have it checked by a competent gunsmith and follow his recommendations. Damascus barrels were made to be used with black powder and so are thicker at the breach (to handle the fast explosion of powder) and thinner at the muzzle, as black powder. Due to the fact that modern smokeless powder buns at a slower pace, thus building up more pressure towards the muzzle which could cause the metal to split or rupture, it is not recommended that modern ammo be used in a Damascus barrel.


What powder is the only powder used in a muzzle loader?

Black powder, or a black powder substitute such as Pyrodex. Smokeless powder (modern gun powder) should not be used in a traditional muzzle loading firearm.


What is the difference in a damascus barrel?

Damascus steel is made by folding a mild steel together with a high-carbon steel to make it stronger, and gives it a pretty pattern. Problem with Damascus barrels is that, while they work fine with low pressure black powder loads, modern smokeless shotshells are likely to cause the barrel to rupture, which is bad. If a shotgun has a Damascus barrel, it's very old and probably just a wall-hanger.


Can I shoot modern shells What does new twist mean because it is marked on top of the right barrel?

No! Never shoot modern ammo in any steel twist Damascus type barrel. These weren't all that reliable or safe with black powder and definitely can't take the pressure of modern loads.


Is modern ammunition safe for a Acme 12 gauge side by side with damascus barrels?

NO ! In general, Damascus barrels were made for LOW pressure black powder loads. There are exceptions, but they are few. I do not recommend firing ANY Damascus barreled shotgun with ANY ammo until a gunsmith familiar with that type of barrel has inspected and borescoped it. Damascus barrels were made by wrapping hot strips of steel (or iron, or both) around a rod, reheating, and hammering until they welded together. Each weld (and there are thousands) is a potential point of failure IF the gun has been exposed to corrosion- like that that comes with firing black powder. I would retire it to a place of honor above the fireplace.


Must you shoot black powder shells only in a Charles Daly 12 gauge shotgun with fine Damascus barrels?

Yes, definitely, always, without exception. Pyrodex or similar powders which equal the characteristics of black powder may be used. Significant danger to the shooter and the gun will result if smokeless powder is used. Note many folks who know that their Damascus barrels are sound shoot modern shells through their guns. I have shot thousands of Winchester AA Feathers through my Damascus Daly. These shells have lower pressure that many black powder rounds.With a gun this fine you should join the DoubleGun BBS a place where old guns are talked about every day and shot alot. Also check out the German Gun Collectors website. Never shoot every day wally world shells but modern low pressure shell can be found without much trouble.


Where was a 12 gauge damascus twist double barrel black powder shotgun by J Pieper in 1896 manufactured?

Pieper was a Belgian gun maker, so it was most likely made in Belgium. Look for the Belgian black powder proof marks.


You have an old shotgun that has Damascus barrels made in Saxon Belgium Can I reload shells using black powder also can Pyrodex or Triple Seven or other black powder substitutes be used?

You will have to be the judge on safe condition to fire, but I have been shooting a Belmont Damascus barred gun for years with black powder loads and also with the substitutes. I have not loaded more than 60 grains and use it for skeet and target plinking. So long as the barrels and lock are in good shape it should be fine.


When was the shotgun made by eclypse gun co. The damascus double barrel with hammers?

Eclipse Gun Company is a name found on Belgian manufactured double barrels from around 1900-1916. The manufacturer was Henri Pieper. Please note that the Damascus barrels were meant for BLACK POWDER shotshells, and should not be fired with modern day ammo.


How much is a Belgium Royal Damascus shotgun worth in fair condition?

Belgium is the country of origin, not a brand. Innumerable old damascus barreled shotguns were made in Belgium and imported into the US before and after the turn of the century. These were generally low cost shotguns, of no current collector value (better guns identify the manufacturer). If the Damascus pattern is pretty, and the receiver still has case colors, it may have some value as a wall hanger. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO FIRE IT! Damascus steel cannot withstand the pressures of modern smokeless powder. Even black powder should not be used unless the gun is fully examined by a very competent gunsmith.


What powder is the only kind that should be used in a muzzleloader?

Know Your Muzzleloader. Primitive hunting arms include the muzzleloader ... Black powder is the onlytype of powder that should be used in muzzleloaders


Can you shoot a slug out of a spartan 20gauage?

Any modern 20 gauge gun (manufactured after about 1920) should accommodate slugs with no problem. Earlier guns with Damascus barrels or built for use with black powder loads would be dangerous to both the gun and shooter.


Why is black powder preferred instead of smokeless powder?

early firearms were not made with STRONG metal like todays modern firearms


Is laminated shot gun barrels better then Damascus barrels?

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking here. Generally a shotgun with Damascus barrels (those showing a spiral pattern on the outside, since they were made from spiralling layers of metal) will have been made for black powder only. In their time, fine Damascus barrels were considered a superior option, but caution should be exercised shooting such guns now, and definitely only black powder should be used. If in doubt, get the gun checked by a qualified gunsmith.


Can black powder guns fire real bullets?

By all means, yes they can. If you are referring to modern bullets or self contained cartridges the answer is no. Black powder guns fall into two major categories, muzzle loading and black powder cartridge, With muzzle loaders the powder is poured in the barrel topped with a patched lead ball or bullet, and ignited by an external cap or flint and steel. BP cartridges are much like modern bullets with the exception of the powder. Black powder burns at a slower rate thus the pressure within the case is less.. Modern "smokeless powder" burns rapidly when contained within the shell casing and produces higher pressures and bullet velocities.


How much powder do you use in a 32 cal black powder pistol?

First, find a copy of the owner's manual for YOUR pistol. Second, use ONLY black powder, or a modern black powder substitute, such as Pyrodex. The ROUGH rule of thumb is one half the bore diameter in grains of powder. A .32 cal would use ABOUT 12-16 grains of powder.


Where can you purchase ammo for a 1890 fluid steel barrel shotgun?

There is ammunition made for the damascus barreled shotguns, called black dawge, (yes spelled that way) made by Goex. You may be able to find it locally. If not, Midway USA stocks it as does www.powderinc.com They have 12 GA in both black powder and black powder substitute


Can a convicted felon own a black powder firearm in nh?

Yes you can. Black powder firearms are exempt from federal laws. You can buy black powder hand guns and rifles, powder, caps all of it. You can buy black powder firearms though the mail, you can hunt with them. The modern black powder rifle are very very accurite some revolvers are to. Buy a gun or too and have fun.


Can you shoot a regular 12 gauge shotgun load in a damascus double barrel 12 gauge shotgun barrel?

NO !!!!!! damascus steel is not made to shoot with modern powders. It was made for black powder shotshells only. It would be very dangerous to shoot with todays loads . to much pressure in todays powders Maybe, but - - - In Europe, a lot of old shotguns from the top tier of gunmakers have been properly maintained for 100 or more years and reproofed regularly and are still in use with "modern" ammunition. Lacking a government proof-house in the US, I'd be very reluctant to fire any type of twist-steel barrel, even with black-powder equivalent loads.


What ammunition should you buy for colt 45 saa?

45 long colt ammo for modern weapons. If black powder weapon should only used re-loads with black powder


How old is a dikar Spain 45 cal black powder only model 203767 gun?

There is no central serial number database for these modern black powder guns. Most were made in the 1970s.