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How did the feud between Taking Back Sunday Brand New and Straylight Run start?

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2011-09-12 20:43:55

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Albums To Date Include

Lullaby EP - Antonio Longo lead vocals.

Jesse Lacey - bass, backing vocals (on "Go On" and "Summer


Tell All Your Friends

Where You Want To Be

Louder Now

New Again.

and they are all amazing!

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"Brand_New_vs_TBS_vs_Straylight_Run">Brand New vs TBS vs Straylight


The Long Island Rock legend goes that once upon a time, Jesse

Lacey, now the lead singer of Brand New, was best friends with John

Nolan, former guitarist/singer of Taking Back Sunday and current

guitarist/singer for Straylight Run. As the legend goes, at some

point during the duration of the close friendship, Jesse's

girlfriend cheated on him with John. During their fight, Jesse

allegedly said "You're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back

so let's end this call and end this conversation." However, this is

ironically close to the line in "Seventy Times Seven." This song

was released on Brand New's first album, Your Favorite

Weapon, originally released October 9, 2001.

While TBS was writing songs for their first album, Tell All

Your Friends, originally released March 26, 2002, John Nolan

heard the lyrics to "Seventy Times Seven." In response, TBS wrote

the song "There's No 'I' in Team." Some speculate that the song was

an apology of sorts to Jesse. Some say it was an explanation. But

it seems that the best explanation is that it was TBS's way of

giving the lyrical finger to Jesse. Lyrics such as "Wearing your

black eye like a badge of honor/soaking in sympathy" and, most

notably, in an interlude that also includes the lyrics "Is that

what you call tact/You're about as subtle as a brick in the small

of my back/so let's end this call and end this conversation/That's

right he said it," seem to support this last explanation.

These are most frequently referenced songs by the thousands of

emo kids discussing the feud on message boards all over the

internet. But they aren't the only two. Your Favorite Weapon

also contains the song "Mix Tape." This song feels less like

righteous anger and more like best friend scorned. Some of the

lyrics in "Mix Tape" include, "And I'm sick of your tattoo/and the

way you don't appreciate Brand New or me." The most notable of all

being, "I got a twenty dollar bill that says no one's ever seen you

without makeup/You're always made up." That lyric is referenced by

TBS in "There's No 'I' in team." It is, "I've got a twenty dollar

bill/That says you're up late night starting fist fights versus


TBS's Tell All Your Friends also contained the song

"Timberwolves At New Jersey." This song is a blatant dig at Your

Favorite Weapon. Most of the lyrics are aimed at Jesse and

frankly, they're pretty cold. A few of the most notable lines are

"Those words at best were worse than teenage poetry/Fragment ideas

and too many pronouns/Stop it, come on, you're not making sense

now/You can't make them want you/They're all just laughing" and, in

the second verse, "Was his demise so carefully constructed/Well

let's just say I got what I wanted/Cause in the end it's always the


Some sources say that the song "The Shower Scene," off Your

Favorite Weapon is referencing when Jesse found out about John

and his girlfriend. Lines like, "Its funny how your worst enemies

always seem to/Turn out to be all of your/Best friend's, best

friends." Later in the song, the line, "I hope she's caught in the

explosion," seems to also support this idea. However the rest of

the song seems to imply that the singer feels a level of guilt

about something. So, at this point, it seems debatable.

After the albums were released, the two singers apparently made

up. There are many videos online showing the two on stage together

singing "There's No 'I' in Team." So, for a while, things appeared

to be all right.

Around this same time, Adam Lazzara, the lead singer for TBS,

began dating John Nolan's sister, Michelle. It appears that Adam

and John had many creative differences while the band was busy

writing songs for their follow up album, Where You Want to

Be. So, when Adam allegedly cheated on Michelle, did not help

matters. During this time, John and Shaun Cooper left TBS and

formed the band Straylight Run with Michelle.

Multiple threads on the internet have speculated that the

Straylight Run song "Another Word for Desperate" off their first

album is about Adam. The best argument for an incendiary song on

that album would be "Sympathy for the Martyr." However, it is

unclear whether the blame is pinned on Adam or Jesse. If there is

any hint, it would be in the line "Convinced there's a war on/It's

always everybody versus you." This could be a reference to a line

from the song "Okay I Believe You But My Tommy Gun Don't" from

Brand New's second album, Deja Entendu. The line is "This is

war/Every line is about who I don't want to write about


The TBS song "Slowdance on the Inside" from Where You Want To

Be seems to be Adam's own lyrical revenge against the trio. At

various point, the song seems to be about Jesse, who was openly

bashing TBS, John and Michelle at shows. But certainly, the rage is

directed at all three. Lyrics such as, "You move slow like daytime

drama/and I'm boring like his songs," are obviously about John and

Jesse. However, the song also insinuates that it was Michelle, not

Adam, who was unfaithful. Lyrics such as, "One of us never did it

but we're taking it all/And tell me why you never promised that you

wanted it all/And her eyes never batted when she said it/It's a

long night, open, know it/...This glass house is burning down/You

light the match, I'll stick around," support this conclusion.

It has to be said that this article is completely based on

speculation about rumors and leaked information. Also, it is

important to note that almost all of the drama was contained on the

first and second albums from Brand New and TBS. In the past couple

of years, it seems to have largely died down. The most recent

comment was made to New York Nightlife in Late 2004 from Adam. He

was asked if there was still a war between the three of them. He

responded, "No. . . yeah. Freak it. Keep it going. See if I care.

All I'll say is that pride is a funny thing."

although it would be so cool if this were true because it would

be an all out war between them all its inaccurate reason there was

a feud between Brand New and TBS was after john and shaun left the

band Adam continued to play there's no i in team which has nothing

to do with him because Adam didn't write any of the lyrics or music

back then. Jesse felt it was disrespectful to play a song about him

after john left. John and Jesse are friends they are both from long

island and do go to each others shows. I know them all personally

so that is the true story sorry there isn't so much hype behind it.

although brand new came out with the best Shirt ever MICS ARE FOR

SINGING NOT SWINGING! those were the only 2 songs directly involved

with the feud

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