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== == Jesus did die for our sins on the cross. But his death was only bodily spiritually he was still in control of the universe. Don't forget about the Holy Spirit and God the Father together with Jesus makes up the trinity or God in three persons. When Jesus died God the father turned away from him because he could not look upon the sin that Jesus took upon himself and at that moment the sky became dark. After ministering to over 500 people and the disciples he returned to the father and rules heaven and in the hearts of his saints until his return. This is an acceptable answer if one believes in the Trinity. The trinity is not a scriptural doctrine. When Jesus was dying, he cried out to heaven asking why had God forsaken him. If Jesus was God, is it reasonable to believe that Jesus would call out to himself and ask this question? Also, when he was in the Garden the night before he died. Why would he ask for strength if he was God? Could a mere angel (a creation of God), strengthen the Almighty himself? Although the word 'trinity' doesn't occur in the Bible, this has been latched upon by non-trinitarian sects (like the Jehovah's Witnesses) as evidence that the Trinity does not exist. However, throughout the Scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments the concept of the Trinity is very, very evident. Genesisstates - in the beginning God.... (the Father) ... gave the Word (his Son - in John chapter 1 he calls Jesus plainly 'the Word')....his Spirit moved over the waters (the Holy Spirit). At the end of Matthew's gospel, Jesus commands his disciples to baptise in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. These are just two simple examples of many many occasions whe the Trinity is very evident as a scriptural doctrine. The words from the Cross are much misunderstood. One has to remember that Jesus was totally divine yet totally human. God is Spirit (as Jesus himself said) and therefore cannot die. Jesus never betrayed his humanity - often referring to himself as the 'Son of Man' as well as 'God the Son'. On the cross, Jesus took the sins of the world on his shoulders and for that instant God the Father turned his face away from the now human aspect of Jesus. So it would be natural for him to cry out as he did. One also has to remember that although God is One God, he is also three persons in one God, and as such can easily talk within the Trinity. Why else would God say, in Genesis, 'let us make man in our image, in the image of God he created man.' Here you have a prime example of the Trinity - plurality as well as singularity. Finally in the garden, again, Jesus knew that, as God the Son, he could call upon legions of angels to minister to him (cf his temptations in the wilderness). But as knew too well, only by death as a human could he give us the salvation. He was divine, but also human with all the human traits - he got angry (turfing out the moneychangers in the temple), and hungry, and sad (he wept as Lazarus died) and, no doubt, in the Garden he was scared - scared of what he would have to go through in order to bring salvation. Again we have the split between the humanity of jesus and his totally divinity. Sady, no matter how much one tries to convince the sectarians (JWs, Unitarians etc) they will not accept the facts even though they stare them in the face. In asking for God's strength he was showing his human side as well. He was not only God , "I and my Father are one..." but a man as well. If he were not He could not have been the sacrifice that was needed to erase our sins. Read the word and understand it all. Pulling parts of various texts can promote confusion and the word says that our enemy Satan is the very author of confusion. The very consideration that Jesus may not have been in control would lessen who He was. Omnipotence is why Jesus, God the Father were always in control. The last thing I could say to anyone is don't trust the things you see here use your mind read the word ask God to show you what you are asking He is not in the business of keeping His will to just a select few. "...ask and will be given knock and I will open the door..." Jesus is God's son, and that while he was dead for 3 days there was no chaos in the universe because God Almighty, his Father, was in full control of everything. It just doesn't make sense to say Jesus was God in the flesh and was dead while he was actually also alive in the spirit etc.... It doesn't make good theology that God can die in any respect. Neither the word trinity or the concept of a three-in-one God appear in the scriptures. Those who believe in the trinity have been deceived by Satan who is the one misleading the entire inhabited earth according to Rev 12:9. The simple facts explained in God's Word the Bible show that Jesus is God's Son. He had a beginning. Therefore he is called the first-born of all creation and the only begotten son of God. Col 1:14 and John 1:14. The Almighty God whose Divine name is Jehovah is spoken of as having no beginning but being from everlasting to everlasting. Psalm 90:2. The Divine name applies only to the creator and never applies to Jesus. Although the word 'trinity' doesn't occur in the Bible, this has been latched upon by non-trinitarian sects (like the Jehovah's Witnesses) as evidence that the Trinity does not exist. However, throughout the Scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments the concept of the Trinity is very, very evident. Genesisstates - in the beginning God.... (the Father) ... gave the Word (his Son - in John chapter 1 he calls Jesus plainly 'the Word')....his Spirit moved over the waters (the Holy Spirit). At the end of Matthew's gospel, Jesus commands his disciples to baptise in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. These are just two simple examples of many many occasions whe the Trinity is very evident as a scriptural doctrine. The words from the Cross are much misunderstood. One has to remember that Jesus was totally divine yet totally human. God is Spirit (as Jesus himself said) and therefore cannot die. Jesus never betrayed his humanity - often referring to himself as the 'Son of Man' as well as 'God the Son'. On the cross, Jesus took the sins of the world on his shoulders and for that instant God the Father turned his face away from the now human aspect of Jesus. So it would be natural for him to cry out as he did. One also has to remember that although God is One God, he is also three persons in one God, and as such can easily talk within the Trinity. Why else would God say, in Genesis, 'let us make man in ourimage, in the image of God he created man.' Here you have a prime example of the Trinity - plurality as well as singularity. Jesus himself told us that before Abraham was - I am... Sadly the JWs and other sectarians accept most of scripture but what doesn't fit in, they change within their own 'New World' translation. John begins with the same words as Genesis - 'in the beginning'. Genesis states - 'In the beginning - God.' John states - 'in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God... the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory - glory as of the only begotten Son of the Father. hence Jesus (The Word) existed from the beginning with the Father - plainly outlined in scripture, much to the annoyance of the JWs who conveniently change these verses to make them fit a skewed belief.

== Take a moment to focus on the following scriptures. (1 Timothy 2:3-5) 3 This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 5 For . . . (Philippians 1:8-9) . . .. 9 And this is what I continue praying, that YOUR love may abound yet more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment;. . . (Titus 1:1) 1 Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ according to the faith of God�s chosen ones and the accurate knowledge of the truth which accords with godly devotion These are just three examples of the expression accurate knowledge appearing in the Greek Scriptures or New Testament that show an accurate knowledge and full discernment is possible for Christians. And should not the correct understanding of the identity of God Almighty and his son be the most basic fundamental things one learns? If you get confused about who God is, then how can you ever get past that to the deeper things? Jesus Christ gave his life for mankind as a ransom to buy back what Adam lost. The Bible clearly says he was dead, not alive for parts of three days. Then his father, God Almighty whose name is Jehovah or Yahweh, resurrected him. The scriptures tell us that Jesus then sat at his father's right hand awaiting the time when he would assume his Kingly power. (Hebrews 10:12-13) 12 But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet. This is more a simplified way to explain it. Father, son and Holy Ghost. God sent Jesus in his own image to spread the word of God. It was the Romans that found Jesus a threat because they knew he was indeed different and it was the Romans that had him crucified. Jesus spoke to his father (God) often and asked why he had to go through so much. Jesus was human thus he suffered like one. Although God looked away from Jesus he was being crucified, he was still in control darkened the skies for those that did him harm and to let them know (when the end came) who was in control. Then came the resurrection and Jesus rose again. God! There was no record of "Chaos" from other Chronicler's of other nations during the death of Jesus, whenever that may be. When dead people get up and start walking the streets, I'd say that's "chaotic". And on top of that, the veil was torn... that was a central part of Judaism... that might be classified as chaotic as well... The problem was that to the non-Jewish chronicler a torn curtain would hardly make the front page - but to the Jew - now that torn curtain was very significant. 1. To answer the point that the concept of Trinity was not in the Bible - this is simply not true. It appears everywhere. The actual word 'Trinity' was a later invention used to describe athat concept. So trinity does not appear in the Bible - so what? neither does Television or Cellphone. Trinitarian concepts start at Genesis when God (the Father) created heaven and earth. he gave the Word (Jesus - as also described in John 1) and his Spirit was upon the waters (Holy Spirit). Trinitarian ideas occur throughout prophesies of Jesus in the Old Testament, and are in abundance in the New. There are far too many occurrences here to note every one, but, at the end of Matthew's gospel Jesus told his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Throughout Paul's letters and in Revelation, the Trinity idea is still prevalent. The Bible even finishes with trinitarian ideas. 2. as for the temple curtain being torn in two - this was very significant. The curtain divided the Holy of holies - a chamber holding the Ark of the Covenant - from the rest of the temple. The Jews believed that the Holy of holies was where God actually dwelt. No one was allowed in here - except the high priest and then only once a year. the curtain tearing open symbolized the division between God and man, through sin, being removed at the same moment as Jesus' death.

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