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Yes, definitely, always, without exception.

Pyrodex or similar powders which equal the characteristics of black powder may be used.

Significant danger to the shooter and the gun will result if smokeless powder is used. Note many folks who know that their Damascus barrels are sound shoot modern shells through their guns. I have shot thousands of Winchester AA Feathers through my Damascus Daly. These shells have lower pressure that many black powder rounds.With a gun this fine you should join the DoubleGun BBS a place where old guns are talked about every day and shot alot. Also check out the German Gun Collectors website. Never shoot every day wally world shells but modern low pressure shell can be found without much trouble.

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Q: Must you shoot black powder shells only in a Charles Daly 12 gauge shotgun with fine Damascus barrels?
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