It might be argued that in the end it was, the 90mm high velocity gun of the M36 appearing in combat on March 7, 1945 as the main armament of M26 Pershing Tank. The dates are critical in explaining what American tank destroyers and tanks were in combat in WW2. There was a major race for development which forced decisions on temporary and compromise solutions. In 1940 American armored forces did not have a vehicle mounting even a low velocity 75 mm gun. In August 1940 there was a desire for a turret tank of at least this calibre, but the clash between need and engineering knowledge was such that the M3 (Lee/Grant) with the hull mounted gun was put into production. Similarly, as higher power guns were needed in the light of combat experience, the 76 mm, + 90mm, heavier, with larger breeches and heavier recoil, it was in the first instance quicker to produce vehicles of the tank destroyer configuration. Heavier guns often appeared first in assault gun format in the the Russian and German armies too. The British were probably least successful in their designs, but that the Archer was produced, and fought in Normandy and later with some success, demonstrates the pressure to get the guns on the battlefield fast, even in a "fudged" design For the rearward firing Archer: http://www.msu.edu/user/storto/britspg.htm. http://www.tankdestroyersociety.com/tank_destroyers_history.htm
how were the destroyer tank M36was used? US tank detroyers, the M36 and others, were called tank destroyers to improve the morale of their crews and make them more aggressive. The effectiveness of this nomenclature is unknown, but "tank destroyer" sounded more macho than what they really were: armored anti-tank artillery. And the armor was only enough to protect against anti-personnel bullets and fragments. Unlike the German equivalent, US tank destroyers could not stand a hit from a tank, even the 20mm cannon of the Panzer II. The M36 probably used its mobility to best advantage, firing and moving a lot. They had a gun specially designed for destroying tanks, but they did not fight like tanks because they did not have the armor of a tank. * It has been said with some validity that the best weapon for destroying a tank is another tank. Where tanks cannot be available, tank destroyers could certainly fill the gap to defend and delay an armored assault. Just don't try to lead your own armored assault with them. It will not work.
In WWII there were two types of tanks one was a tank destroyer and the other was for cover. The tank destroyer was for Yes killing tanks
The U.S. Army's 652nd Tank Destroyer Battalion was not attached to a particular division as it was one of seven tank destroyer battalions that remained stateside in World War II and was not deployed overseas. It was based at Camp Hood (now Fort Hood) in Texas, the headquarters of the Tank Destroyer Force.
The 671st Tank Destroyer Battalion served in the Pacific Theatre during World War II and was equipped with M18 tank destroyers. It landed in the Philippines in July 1945 but saw little combat during the final weeks of the war. You can find more information about this unit and others by visiting Google and typing in Tank Destroyer Society, a website that has much information about the Tank Destroyer Force in general and links to other websites that have information about the various tank destroyer battalions.
the 808th tank destroyer battalion was in WW2. tanks were just coming around at the end of WW1 so there was no such thing as a tank destroyer battalion. also, my grandfather was in the 808th TDB.
The 652nd Tank Destroyer Batallion was not assigned to a particular division as it remained stateside during World War II.
'Effective' will certainly depend on what you mean by 'effective'. In either case, the German Panzer IV/70 (V) was one of the lowest tank destroyers (a height of just 2m., including periscopes, or 1.85m. without periscopes) and it had the firepower of the Panther. Its main deficiency was the long gun, which stressed the frontal roadwheels, however this was somewhat solved by the implementation of steel tyred roadwheels. The best US tank destroyer was the m36 with a 90mm gun on a m4 chassis. The best German one was the jagdpanther with a 88mm gun mounted on a mark v panther chassis. The best Russian one was the su85 with a 85mm gun mounted on a t34 chassis. Of the 3, only the m36 had a moveable turret. The others had to have the whole tank moved to aim the gun. Out of all the research that I have done on Russian and German tanks, I would say that the SU-100 was the best tank destroyer. It too was on the T-34 chassis, but it had a 100mm gun rather than an 85mm gun. The only problem was the actual weight of the gun itself.
AnswerFor reunion info, please contact the following:820th Tank Destroyer BattalionMr. Steven Siekierka24931 S. Sylbert Ct.Redford, Michigan 48239(313) 532-8306Tank DestroyersThe tank destroyer force was created as a mobile GHQ antitank reserve in 1941. The original concept called for battalions to be concentrated in tank destroyer brigades and groups for employment en masse against an armored threat. In practice, the realities of combat and the erosion of the German Panzer force meant that the tank destroyers were usually attached individually to divisions.Initial War Department plans called for the creation of 220 TD battalions, a figure that was never achieved. By the end of 1943, 106 battalions were in existence of which fifty-six served in Europe or Italy and six in the Pacific. Eleven of the remaining battalions were converted to armored field artillery, amphibious tractor, chemical mortar, or tank battalions. Thirty-six battalions were disbanded -- with their personnel going to the replacement pool.The first TD battalions organized were fully self-propelled. However, combat experience in North Africa appeared to show that towed guns would be desirable. As a result, about one-half of the battalions were converted to towed in 1943. Unfortunately, further experience proved that towed guns were simply too immobile, making them highly vulnerable. As a result, in 1944 many of the towed battalions were converted back to self-propelled. On 1 January 1945, a total of 73 battalions were active.The tank destroyer battalions were all organized with three companies, each company was equipped with twelve guns, for a total of thirty-six in the battalion. The early battalions also had an antiaircraft and an engineer platoon which were later discarded. A strong reconnaissance element was retained, equivalent to a mechanized cavalry troop.The TD battalions first employed two stopgap ad hoc weapons, the M3 halftrack, which mounted an elderly 75mm gun and the M6 TD, a Dodge 3/4 ton Weapons Carrier with a 37mm AT gun crudely mounted in the truck bed. Later, in North Africa in 1943, the TD battalions began to receive the first standardized TD gun, the M10. The M10 was based on a variant of the M4 tank chassis, was lightly armored, and had poor cross-country mobility and speed. However, its 3" gun, a development of the prewar AA gun, was quite powerful for the time. By early 1944 the first purpose-designed TD appeared, the M18, and began to slowly replace the M10. The M18 was more lightly armored than the M10, but had very good cross-country mobility and impressive speed. Furthermore, the gun was an improved 3", known as the 76mm, with a more powerful cartridge case and muzzle-break, giving it greater accuracy and hitting power. Finally, also in 1944, the M36 was deployed. The M36 utilized the same chassis as the M10, but mounted the powerful 90mm gun (also originally an AA weapon). The M36 was the most powerful antitank weapon in the U.S. arsenal, with the newly developed high-velocity armor piercing rounds (HVAP, also known as APCR for Armor Piercing Composite Rigid), the 90mm was easily capable of defeating all German armor, if it could get the first hit.The seventy-three tank destroyer battalions active and their armament on 1 January 1945 were:There were fifty-two in the ETO: the 601st (M36, also served in Tunisia, Sicily, and Italy with M3 and M10), 602nd (M18), 603rd (M18), 607th (M36), 609th (M18), 610th (M36), 612th (M18), 614th Colored (T), 628th (M36), 629th (M10), 630th (M36), 631st (M10), 634th (M10), 635th (M10), 636th (M10, also served in Tunisia and Italy), 638th (M18), 643rd (M18), 644th (M10), 645th (M36, also served in Italy with M10), 654th (M36), 691st (M36), 692nd (T), 701st (M10), 702nd (M36), 703rd (M36), 704th (M18), 705th (M18), 771st (M36), 772nd (T), 773rd (M36), 774th (M36), 776th (M36, also served in Tunisia and Italy with M10), 801st (T), 802nd (T), 803rd (M36), 807th (T), 808th (M36), 809th (M36), 811th (M18), 813th (M36, also served in Tunisia and Sicily with M3 and M10), 814th (M36), 817th (T), 818th (M36), 820th (T), 821st (M10), 822nd (T), 823rd (M10), 824th (T), 825th (T), 827th Colored (M18), 893rd (M10), and 899th (M36, also served in Tunisia with M10). Before the end of the war in Europe eight more battalions converted to SP, the 692nd(M10), 801st (M18), 802nd (M10), 817th (M18), 820th (M18), 822nd (M18), 824th (M18), 825th (M10).Four were in route to the ETO: the 605th (T, converted to M10 in March)), 648th (T), 656th (M36), and 661st (M18).Four were serving in the MTO: the 679th Colored (T), 804th (M10, also served in Tunisia), 805th (T, also served in Tunisia with M3), and 894th (M10, also served in Tunisia).Six were serving in the PTO: the 632nd (M10), 637th (M18), 640th (M10), 671st (M18), 806th (M10), and 819th (M10).Seven remained in the US: the 606th (SP, disbanded 28 February), 611th (T, disbanded 20 February), 627th (SP, in Hawaii, disbanded 10 April), 633rd (M18, arrived in the ETO 12 April), 652nd (SP), and 670th (SP, in Hawaii, disbanded 10 April), and 816th (T, disbanded 20 February).Like the mass employment of separate tank battalions, the deployment of the tank destroyers in mass to defeat enemy armored attacks was never actually practiced. In the Ardennes Campaign the Third Army employed one TD battalion as an augmentation to the army's Military Police force. By the end of the war it was clear that the tank destroyer experiment had no future in the army, on 10 November 1945 the Tank Destroyer Center at Fort Hood Texas was officially discontinued, ending the existence of the tank destroyer force.
The 776th Tank Destroyer Battalion didn't fight in the Pacific theater during World War II. Google 776th Tank destroyer battalion. Here is the link; http://www.100thww2.org/support/776combat.html
630th Tank Destroyer Battalion information can be obtained through the Savannah Now web site at www.savannahnow.com/node/318153. Just cut and paste the address into your browser.
Try googling "battalion profiles"
The 17 pound gun was more powerful than the 90mm gun.
The 661 Tank Destroyer Battalion earned credit for following Campaigns in WW2:Central EuropeRhinelandThey also were Occupation Forces in Germany.Souce: Dept of Army Pamphlet 672-1.
They did not receive one.
See "related link" below for a brief history.
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The Tank Destroyer Force in the U.S. Army was officially organized on November 27, 1941 and existed only during World War II to counter the strength of German armored forces. Nearly 80 tank destroyer battalions were actually formed. The 652nd Tank Destroyer Battalion was established on March 30, 1943 and was based at Camp Hood, Texas. It was a Self-Propelled (SP) tank destroyer unit that initially utilized the M-3 half-track with 75mm gun; and subsequently progressed to the M-10, M-18 and M-36 full-track tank destroyers. The 652nd remained in the U.S. and was not deployed overseas; it was one of seven tank destroyer battalions that remained stateside. On March 13, 1944, the 652nd suffered severe casualties when its troops were engaged in combat training at Camp Robinson in Arkansas. An anti-personnel mine accidentally exploded during a training session involving the laying and removal of various types of mines, killing 12 soldiers and injuring 14. Among the assignments for the 652nd's personnel during 1945 was serving as armed escorts for German prisoners of war as they arrived aboard ships at U.S. seaports on the east coast; guarding them as they were transported on trains; and delivering them to POW internment camps throughout the U.S. All tank destroyer battalions, including the 652nd, were disbanded shortly after the conclusion of the war as the concept of a specialized Tank Destroyer Force was deemed no longer necessary.
Andrew Devey has written: 'Jagdtiger' -- subject(s): Jagdtiger (Tank destroyer)
The most produced tank ever is the one the US Army currently still uses the M1 Abrams
US tanks in WW2 and since are named after American generals. The M4 Sherman was the most prevalent. The M3 Lee (also made in a British Army version called the Grant) and M3 Stuart preceded the Sherman. The M26 Pershing and M24 Chaffee were used only in the last days of the war. The M36 Jackson is often referred to as a tank, but it was US armored anti-tank artillery (tank destroyer). * The only exception is perhaps the M22 Locust airborne tank, never used in combat by the US, but the British 6th Airborne Division used them along with their own airborne tank called the Tetrarch. Both of these small tanks could be carried in a combat-ready state by the British Hamilcar glider.
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well. the most effective tank was the su-85. but the hetzer had a very good gun with a decent penetration and armour. it was the lower glacis that whas the weakest part of armour. the name of hetzer came from the crew as they said it was a fabulous tank. so i would say the hetzer was the best.
martin dcpa and martin m36 from 1978
Well, "a" destroyer is a type of warship. "the" destroyer usually indicates a synonym for Satan. He is called the betrayer and the destroyer sometimes.