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Can a punt in 4th down be the same as a field goal?


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2009-11-16 17:10:07
2009-11-16 17:10:07

No, it is considered a touchback, and the defensive team receives the ball at the twenty yard line. If a punt goes through the uprights, it is a touchback, as was explained in the previous response. Here's why: in order for a field goal to count, the ball must touch the ground just before it is kicked. I wonder if your question comes after seeing some film from an old game. If so, you may be thinking of a drop kick, which looks similar to a punt. In the early days of the NFL (into the 40's & possibly the 50's) the place kick was not used. Instead of hiking the ball to the holder as it is today, the snapper would hike the ball directly to the kicker. The kicker then bounced the ball off the ground either by dropping it (or more purposely bouncing it) so that he could get his foot underneath it and kick the ball throught the uprights. This obviously had a lot of skill associated with it. As a result, the field goal was not as routine as what we see today. The main reason the drop drop kick isn't used anymore is because the shape of the official football changed - it used to be more rounded than it is today. And the odds of making a place kick are much better than a drop kick. My own theory is also that the specialization that began in the late 50's & into the 60's the NFL played a part in that. I don't personally remember single platoon football - that is same players on both offense & defense. But I do remember Chuck Bednarek, the last full-time 2-way player, at the end of his career. Since then platooning has culminated in the use not only of 2-squad football (separate players for offense & defense) but with specialization from specific kick and punt returners all the way down to players who are designated for specific downs (especially 3rd down backs, receivers, pass rushers, etc.) By the way - the drop kick is still a legal play in the NFL. It just isn't used because a place kick is almost automatic. Also, The rule about the ball touching the ground just before being kicked hasn't changed - I believe that's why there's no tee allowed for field goals in the NFL. This was an excellent answer to the original question. For modern reference, watch some rugby, the sport whence American football originates. Drop kicks are used in several aspects of rugby, and a drop kick for goal taken from the field of play is sometimes referred to as a "field goal" (although more commonly, "drop goal"). Of course, the rugby ball is rounder, more in the shape of the original footballs described by the other answerer above. In the last few weeks of the season Doug Flutie actually attempted and was successful on a drop kick. Go figure. No one could believe it. In rugby, the ball is dropped, then kicked as it is in contact with the ground. The kicker does not allow the ball to bounce. Thus it is in (roughly) the same position as for a place kick. If American Footballers used this method, then the shape of the ball (less rounded, more cigar-shaped) would not matter. no not at all but in ncaa rules if a punt is fair caught then a team can put the ball on a tee and try a field goal


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Well, a punt is considered turning over the ball by kicking it downfield, thus making your opponent's field position much worse than if you tried to get the first down and failed. A field goal is an attempt to get 3 points. But, maybe you're thinking of a drop kick, which looks like a punt (or at least a play from the line of scrimmage) but the kicker lets the ball drop and after it bounces kicks it through the uprights. This counts the same as a field goal (3 points). Due to the odd shape of the ball, this is a rare feat (it's very hard to do correctly). Doug Flutie did it in week 17 of the 2005 season, and he was the first to convert one in 60-something years.

No. If the punt crosses the back of the end zone it is a touch back, and the other team takes possession on the 20 yard line. A drop kick, however, where the ball bounces off of the ground first, can be kicked and is treated the same as a field goal.

the latest game where this happened was michigan state vrs nebraska in the 2011-2012 big ten season

As far as rules are concerned, punting and field goals have the same rules (except punting cannot score points like field goals can). They are referred to as 'scrimmage kicks'. So a FG that will land in the field of play is identical to a punt that will land in the field of play. The kick returner can even call a fair catch!

10 feet, same as any other field goal post.

By rule, if you kick the ball during a scrimmage down, it's called a "scrimmage kick." If a scrimmage kick off the ground goes through the uprights, it's a field goal. Technically, there is no rule that defines a field goal "attempt." You don't necessarily have to "attempt" a field goal when placekicking on a scrimmage down, but if your kick doesn't go through the uprights, the same rules apply as would for a missed field goal.

About the same as in the NFL.

No, they are the same. They used to be wider (23 feet 4 inches, same as high school), but in 1991 they narrowed them to 18 feet 6 inches, same as the NFL.

No a punt is a drop kick and a kick off is off a tee.

yes... they can its happened to me beforeNo. A scrimmage kick can only be recovered by the receiving team. It's exactly the same as a punt: If the kicking team is first to touch the ball, that constitutes an illegal touch. The only way the kicking team could maintain possession after kicking a field goal is if:The kick was no good, and the receiving team fields the ball and then loses possession.The kick was no good, and the receiving team touches the ball first within the field of play and beyond the line of scrimmage.The kick is taken on first, second, or third down, is blocked, doesn't cross the line of scrimmage, and the kicking team recovers.If a team caught its own field goal kick, the ball would be dead where the catch was made, and the opposing team would put it into play from that spot.

like punt type in /join punt same as the rest

yes in a way it is, but a field hockey field has a "dome shape" around the goal. and a soccer field's is more like a rectangle.

Alot, either pass the ball, which is the best choice or run the ball. If in a long yardage situation, the best choice is to pass the ball. Another one, but also dangerous, fake punt on 4th down and run or pass it with the punter. The same on field goals.

In short - yes. A field goal is calculated from the spot of the kick to the goal posts - so line of snap+10 yds (end zone) plus length from snap to hold (usually 7 yds)

No. A goal keeper is allowed to dribble the ball, and this is not considered the same as "putting it down."

the goal posts are the same as referees; they're considered part of the field. For example, a pass that is incomplete by hitting the ground is ruled a dead ball. So if you hit the referee with the ball with a pass it is a dead ball same with the goal post.

Goal post are always in the same place on the football field they never moved.

A PAT is one point regardless is drop kicked or kicked off the ground. Same for a field goal ... a field goal is 3 points regardless of how it is kicked.

No. A rugby pitch is 100 metres minium goal line to goal line and 70 metres maximum touch line to touch line. A football field is 53 yards wide and 100 years long

Soccer goal posts must not be more than 5 in (12 cm) and must be the same as the width of the lines on the field.

No, not on a kick-off, you can only get points on a field goal or a PAT. Play restarts with a touchback, the same as if it had gone ppast the endline any other way.

The soccer positions are forward, mid field, wing, goal keeper, sweeper, bench and back.

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