Who is better navy seal or marine force recon marine?
the navel seals are the most "elite" task force in the US. no one compares to the training that the seals do. the Marine force recon have intense training, but the fact is that the seals endure much more pain and stress on the body.
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Recon Marines are JTF (Joint Task Force) with SOCOM though they report directly to MARSOC (Marine Special Operations Command). Because of all of the Intel flowing in to these organizations, they must be separate. These organizations make COMS (communications) with each other at all times in order …to inform ground operators of the current situation. Almost all of the time in ground combat operations, MARSOC, SOCOM, and NATO (National Atlantic Treaty Organization) will be working together in actions labeled as either JTF or CAX (Combined Arms Exercises). The MOS name being Reconnaissance Marine MOS#0321. This elite group of marines are trained to do missions by land, air, and sea infil and exfil (infiltration, exfiltration) similar to the Navy SEAL. Their primary mission is to secure and monitor their AO (area of operation) along with sending Intel to command regarding enemy POS (position) and build up. A recon marine is responsible for giving his commander instructions as to what he should do regarding the placement and advancement of other friendly/Coalition units in the AO. Where SEALS and Recon Marines are very similar is that both units execute missions by Land, Air, and Sea infil, and they carry out missions pertaining to rescue/elimination/Identification and verification/retrieval of HVT's (high value target), HVI's (high value individuals), as well as exfil by similar methods including the use of SDV's (seal delivery vehicles - small submersible vehicles used to transport soldiers in amphibious combat operations. Both SEALS and Recon Marines main goal other than their objectives is to remain undetected. They are not so hardcore that their 4-man team can take on 500 men in their AO. Both special operations teams do everything possible to remain undetected. The reason why they have such a devastating effect in combat is largely due to their stealthy tactics, They will surround you without your knowledge, and suddenly C4 goes off, M249's and M4A1's start blasting off. But only for a few minutes, as no 4-man team can suppress a whole platoon on their own land for long, that's why they do their job effectively, in and out. Hence the Marine Force Recon motto, "Swift, Silent, Deadly". For example, an ORP (objective rally point) is set so that when an HVT is eliminated or Intel is retrieved (whatever the case), the operatives can get in and out as fast as possible remaining undetected without carrying all of their non-combat gear. By hitting the enemy so fast and hard, their reaction forces cannot reach the area of conflict in time, that's if the target can even make COMS before dying. Once the objective is executed, the small group will make its way back to the ORP to gather their excess gear and as well to rest (because sometimes, you have to run 6 miles through the forest to get a safe distance from where their previous engagement). After all of this, they make their exfil and come back home. ( Full Answer )
They are different compare marsoc to seals then you are talkin USMC special ops and navy marines spec. ops have three years of training after their boot which is harder then any others plus combat diver and parachute men and a whole eight year commitment before you can train for marines recon and fo…rce recon (THE MARSOC MARINES AND SEALS ARE BOTH EQUIVALENT DONT BELIEVE ME JOIN THEM BOTH HARD) I'd SAY MARINES IN MARSOC SINCE THEY HAVE MORE HAND TO HAND TRAINING IF YOUR TALKING ABOUT A FIGHT. The NAVY SEALS are the most elite, multifaceted, fighting force in the World. Boot Camp does not make them this way, it is the two years of intense training that follows Boot Camp that creates the warrior. Unlike the Marines who go through 13 weeks of Boot Camp. Don't get me wrong, the USMC Boot Camp is very difficult, but in honesty would only equal one week for the NAVY SEALS rigorous training, but if all else fails, throw a couple of Marines in a room with one NAVY SEAL, tell them you'll buy beer for the rest of the night for the last one standing..... I'll put my money on the SEAL. Once again... no disrespect to the Marines, I love all the services and what they fight for. I'm tired of hearing people say Marines are "tougher" than SEALs and that SEALs are "tougher" than Marines. If one group of the Special Operations community was "tougher or better" than the other then the military would just do away with all of the inferior units and just use one. First of all to clear up your ignorance on the topic. There are different types of Marines out there. There is MARSOC (formally Force Recon), Battalion Recon and just Grunt Battalion. Each of these areas of the Marine Corps specializes in a particular area of operations. MARSOC Marines carry out and conduct the same types of missions as SEAL teams, Army Green Berets and Air Force Special Tactics and is a contributing member of Special Operations Command (SOCOM). Grunt and Recon Battalions operate more closely as a large infantry unit and are under the command of and MEU (Marine Expeditionary Unity) or other battalion commander. Now that you understand the difference lets get back to your once again ignorant and egotistical question. MARSOC (Spec Ops Marines) and Navy SEALs have different paths of training and requirement standards. The SEALs have BUD/S training and has a drop out rate of 70% or more and MARSOC has RIP which has a somewhat higher passing rate, however... The requirement standards to enter into BUD/S are somewhat lower that the requirements for someone to enter into RIP. Just because a Marine may be in top physical condition and score well on his PT may still qualify him to advance on to RIP. When talking about BUD/S, as long as you pass the PT prior to entering then you will head to San Diego and begin the 6.5 month rigors and painful quest to become a Navy SEAL. The reason why RIP has a higher passing rate is because they look for Marines who are "above" average and already posses the determination and physical fortitude to achieve their goals. Both impart values and pride in their training and missions and serve at the same level of expertise and motivation as any other Spec Ops unit. Now when comparing Navy SEALs to Grunt Battalion Marines, your talking oranges and apples here. Navy SEALs have no where near the type of man power capable of carrying out large scale firefights and conventional warfare tactics. I will say that SEALs are certainly capable of duking it out but can easily become overwhelmed if things get too "hot". Same principle goes for MARSOC Marines. Let's take a scenario for example; if my house were under attack by 100 Taliban fighters, I would want the Battalion Marines protecting me, not some 12 man SEAL or MARSOC Team. So to ask who is "better" shows ignorance on all parts and also shows the level of competency people have about our armed services because each branch of the military has its own specialty and as I said before, if one is actually "better" than the other then the more superior branches would dominate. Now to discuss who is "tougher" is a different topic. Navy SEALs and Marines (Whether MARSOC, Batt. Recon or just Grunt Batt) are in my opinion the pretty badass and are very very good at what they do, same thing applies for Army Special Forces and Air Force Special Tactics. These four branches that serve in special operation missions serve and protect this country in every last ounce of individual and team effort on every mission and deployment, and the general public has no clue what its like to be apart of the elite warriors and defenders of this country and the dedication to achieving their goals and perfection on every scale. (MarineSniper57) Actually a Navy Seal is tougher than a room full of marines but, on the other hand a Marine Raider would kick a room full of Navy Seals Butts. (navalspecialwarfare22) THEY LET WOMEN IN THE NAVY TOO FAG THEY DONT IN ANY GRUNT, RECON, OR MARSOC BATTALION why do you think they don't let girls into the SEALs? because not even the toughest men can make it threw without 99% of them wanting to give up. Marines are great don't get me wrong but when i did the SEAL PT training before i left for boot camp...lemme tell ya, that wasnt no BS. the training that you get at BUD/s is the best..less than 10% percent make it threw...once hell week comes around you start to look around and realize that theres only a few left and your trying and giving everything you got to not ring that bell...now i love all branches of services.....but the seals earned the ticket to the party when trouble calls..not many branches can have 5 guys to a platoon and do a mission that 40 guys couldn't handle...during the night...pitch black..silent...rock on seals...goodluck to every branch out there...NSW FACT: U.S. Navy SEALs are America's you have to look at the fact that with a lil dedication the majority of people can go through marine boot camp and make it. i have seen nerds, gang members, average joe's make it and become marines. What makes the seals different is bud/s ( and hell week). to be able to suck up the pain and cold and lack of sleep over and over and over that is what separates them. a marine is a pitbull dog with it's leash cut off running around kicking ass wherever. A NAVY SEAL is a pitbull with it's leash cut off but is EXTREMELY trained. they lay low and silent until it reaches it's objective then it unleashs hell!! JUST MY TWO CENTS! (Sekytwo) HOOYAH!! This is a stupid conversation comparing a regular infantry marine to a Navy SEAL try comparing a Navy SEAL to a MARSOC marine then I want to here all you Navy SEAL wannabes talk trash on the marines. FACT: MARSOC marines train longer than Navy SEALs and ill prove it. Navy SEALs train for about 2 and a half years. 6 months in BUD/S and 2 years training in the SEAL qualification course (SQT). MARSOC marines train about 6 months longer that is 3 years. 7 months training in the Marine Special Operations School (MSOS) teaching them basic special operations skills. Then 6 months training with the MEUs (Marine Expeditionary Unit) Special Operations Training Group. Then another 18 months training to hone their Special Operations skills to become Elite Warriors. Then it makes me want to talk crap on them. NsMARSOC - OORAH ~ Semper Fidelis ( Full Answer )
In all cases, the units are extremely well trained for the missions that they are designed to accomplish. They are not expected to be able to do the same things, so it would not make sense to try and compare the two types of units. ya my homies
No, Navy SEALs are members of the US Navy. The Marines are a separate branch of the military. You do not become a SEAL by joining the Marine Corps..
In general, the SEALS would be considered "better," as they are a special forces branch of the Navy. A generic "marine" soldier, while well trained, would not be on par with the most well trained of the Navy. The Marine Corps equivalent of the Navy SEALs would probably be the Marine Corps Forces …Special Operations Command (MARSOC) but even they don't do the kinds of dangerous things that SEALs do. ( Full Answer )
In real life, volunteer and see if you can qualify for MOS 0326. (For the video game , see the related link.) --- If you are not enlisted yet, and you are signing up for enlistment (reserve cannot take this MOS): 1. Talk to your recruiter, all recruits coming out of boot camp are eligible for B…RC (Basic Recon Course), though not all will get the opportunity right away due to limited number of candidates allowed to take the course at one time. 2. Finish Basic training and prepare yourself physically and mentally (boot camp was absolutely nothing compared to recon training) 3. Keep applying for a shot at BRC Indoctrination because your chances of being accepted as a new candidate is slim. Recon looks for men with experience in ground combat operations, (especially intel, logistics, and officers). 4. Keep your fingers crossed for acceptance. (Note - "Force recon" is for higher-ranked officers ONLY. "Battalion recon" is what you're looking for if you're a grunt.) ( Full Answer )
First off, the two are very different. SEALs (SEa Air Land) are commandos and the product of the old UDTs with some help from President Kennedy. They are tough and can do anything anywhere. They are part of SpecWarCom and they do missions all over the globe. They're the first sent into a conflict…. The "Tip of the Spear" is the common way it is put. The Recon Marines are a part of SpecWarCom as well, but only slightly. They are the first marines into a conflict and they are no joke. They see the most combat and they find the most danger out of any marines. Comparison" the SEALs rely on adaptability just like the marines. The Recon marine operate in larger groups and sometimes they will operate with the SEALs. (Team Six's first op was joint with the Rangers and Recon Marines). My own conclusion is that the SEALs are the better warriors due to the extensive training. Both go through BUD/S for a while, but the Recon breaks off and has a different process. A SEAL's training never ends, while Recon's will slow down. Using that old metaphor, the SEALs are the tip of the spear, while the Recon Marines are the barb on the point that anchors it for the blunt forces to move in. ( Full Answer )
Navy Seals no question. Marine bootcamp is tough for some but is nothing compared to bud/s. Bud/s has a 70-80% failure rate. I think that statistic speaks for itself.
Marine Recon (Battalion and Force) definitely do Special Operation Missions just like any other special operations group such as SEAL, Green Beret, Ranger, Para-rescuer, Navy Combat Diver, SAS, etc. Of course all of these different units train for different functions, hence the reason why they ar…e not the same force, and often perform JTF (Joint Task Force) operations, in order to provide trained teams in all necessary fields. ( Full Answer )
Navy and Marine SpecOps forces personnel are dedicated to their respective branches; the biggest exceptions are aviation (Naval and Marine Corps aviators fly off of Navy carriers) and Navy Corpsmen, who serve as combat medics for the Marines. The Navy also provides the Chaplains, Doctors, Dentists a…nd JAG officers for the Marine Corps. The only combat trained officers from the Navy that serve with the Marines are those assigned as NGLOs, Naval Gunfire Liaison Officers that work with the Marines in coordinating Naval Gunfire support to the Marine forces. The only other Sailors who train with the Marines are the Navy's SeaBees, who must complete Marine Corps Basic Infantry training. Their respective missions are also different; where Force Recon is first and foremost an advance scouting/recon unit deep inside enemy territory (ahead of invasion or larger forces), the SEAL's are geared more toward active combat behind enemy lines, as well as providing support to other government agencies (e.g., CIA, NSA). That doesn't mean that they don't work together; they do. But their respective training is much different. Of course a Marine can always leave the Corps and become a sailor and try to become a SEAL and vice-versa, but the likelihood of that happening is slim to none, and slim's out of town. Once you achieve the rank, respect, and honor that the hard work and training has given you by being selected, you don't want to leave. ( Full Answer )
There are a lot of bogus answers out there about the differentbranches and who is better... Here is a real life & unbiasedexample from a USMC Veteran. Marine's and Navy Seals have 2 completely different purposes. Justbecause you are in the Navy, it does not make you a Navy SEAL. Justbecause you are… in the Marine Corps, it does not mean you haveadvanced infantry training. Although all Marines are trained to be basic infantrymen and holdtheir own in combat, some Marines have administrative jobs andothers have more demanding infantry jobs. Overall, the main purpose of the Marine corps would ultimately bemissions which involved engaging larger military forces (platoon orlarger sized forces). The Navy Seals job would not be to engage alarge military force such as this, rather, to complete a highprofile more specific mission (such as taking out Bin Laden) andtake out anyone necessary to successfully complete the mission. Ifan enemy force is expected to be large, a joint operation with theMarines would be more ordinary. There are several Marine specialty jobs that are extremelydemanding. For this I will use the commonly known Marine CorpsForce Recon unit to compare with the SEALS. Force Recon gets their orders from the Corps which means that theirmissions are usually tied to Marine Infantry operations andlocating Intel for them. SEALS orders in many circumstances comedown from the president and congress. This means more specializedmissions and less margin for error. It is true that the SEALS are better funded and as a result, havebetter supplies and better training. Neither one is a joke andneither is better than the other, they are just tuff birds that dodifferent stuff. Like comparing a biker to a truck driver... The Marine Corps works on the smallest budget of the US Militarybranches. Marines (in all jobs) are used to doing more with lesswhich makes them tollerant, thrifty, tough and angry. SEALS arewell funded and supplied which means better training and moreresources. They are also trained to be tough birds and enduremental & physical pain, personal loss and extreme discomfort asare most Marines in Combat jobs. If you faught all the military branches, the Air Force wouldprobably win because of their budget and resources. They could usesome high tech UAV and blow everyone up... This does not make themtougher or better, just better equipt... In the end everyone doestheir purpose to keep our nation safe. If you really want to know who is tougher, let's look at differentways we can look at this: * If the SEALS got in a fire fight with the Marines Force Recon,the SEALS would probably win because they would have betterweaponry and resources. * If a Force Recon Marine got in a fist fight with a SEAL, there isa 50/50 chance of the winner. * If you stuck a Marine and SEAL in a freezing cold room, theywould both freeze to death just because of pride and being stubborn ( Full Answer )
Well, If you ask me I would say Delta Force. They are consideredthe Elite of the Army rangers. They have a problem with numbersthough, they are the best of the best that only the most fit andbravest men on the planet can make. You cannot really compare SOCOM Units the way people dobecause the miss…ion and structures vary so much. SEAL 6 or Deltawouldn't stand a chance against a Ranger Battallion, A RangerBattalion would probably notlike what they ran into if a single SFTeam had been in country for 1 year doing what they do. I was amember of 2nd Ranger Bat and I could travel through the woods overgreat distances with considerable weight better than about everySEAL I met and every SEAL I met could smoke me in the water. Whatabout PJ's, CCT, 160th, RRD no one ever mentions them maybe theyare the best. The units have different missions an 18 man A teamcan't seize a defended runway and a 300 man assault force can'tsneak up on much of anything. So the A team sneaks in and looks itover then tells the assault force what is going on and the twotogether conduct / coordinate the assault (example Panama Invasion)which included SEALS and others. Every member in the SpecialOperations Community is profficient land, sea or air but all havevarious specialties and specific training. The only group thatseems to always be there no matter who is there (Seals, Rangers,SAS, CIA, etc.) is 160th but wait they are pilots they can't be thebest but I would bet that they save more friendly lifes and inflictmore enemy casualties than any force that has ever beeen on thisplanet. They are involved no matter who is fighting. Each is thebest at what they do but they all do similiar but different thingsand non of them can do anything without food, water ammo etc. thewhole military is dependent on itself and special groups withspecial training all tied together to support specific needs aswell as common needs the special ops guys just tend more to thespecial needs. . ( Full Answer )
Any U.S. Serviceman can become a SEAL, as long as the educational, physical, and madical requirements are met. In the case of a Marine first said marine would have to serve his obligated contract with USMC, or get a waiver and sign new contract of enlistment with the navy. Just talk to your career c…ounsellor and get guidance on proper course of action. But the answer to the question is, YES a Marine can become a Navy SEAL, there are just a few more steps to climb. In any case if being a SEAL is the goal then that person will find a way. I know several former Marines that are in the teams now. ( Full Answer )
Navy SEALs are the maritime Special Operations Forces of the U.S. Navy. The Marines are a separate component of the military. For more information about the Navy SEALs, check out WWW.SEALSWCC.COM, our official website.
it is better for navy seal because they are on the sea, you must believe on them "Better" is a relative term. Both organizations have very important and different roles in protecting the United States.
Neither. Both units have their strengths and weaknesses. Recon Marines do just what their name suggests, reconnaissance. Their main job is to help gather actionable intelligence for military commanders, often behind enemy lines. They are not generally a direct action unit. They can perform direct ac…tion, if necessary, but MARSOC has mostly taken over that job since their creation in 2006. The SEALs are the military's maritime special operations unit. Generally, if its around the water, the SEALs will take care of it, as seen with the rescue of Captain Philips in 2009 by DEVGRU. However, the SEALs are not limited to the water. They have seen extensive action in Iraq and Afghanistan, areas where there is not much water to speak of. ( Full Answer )
Explain to your MSgt why you can't carry a fellow with a pack through tear gas uphill for 4.2 miles without passing out, not to mention during an 18 hr fun-filled day on 2 hrs sleep and 0 food!. Seals get to swim. Semper Fidelis -- I salute... A: Navy SEALs, because Force… RECON has been disbanded. It's called MARSOC now. But seriously, I'd have to say SEALs. DOR (drop on request) rates- SEALs- 75-80% of applicants don't make it. Force RECON- 60-70% However, they both have their specific roles. I'm just biased. navy seals work with regular marines! How can they be better the force that has to pass every military school for every force!!! they go through navy seal, green beret, air borne ranger, and air force special tactics!!! the reason less navy make it is because they're not as well trained in boot camp, i have 2 cousins in the air force, 1 in the army training to be green beret, and a retired navy cousin but my uncle in the marines which is better physicly and mentally trained then all 4 and all agree the marines are the most elite which force recon are classified operationist anyway, semper fi! A: where does the guy who listed the drop out rates get his percentages, the seals can be enlisted sailors straight outta the navys so called boot camp when marines marsoc have to have a first enlistment over with hence a four year active four year reserve total eight year enlistment before a socom combined marsoc and airborne, buds training do the math semper fidelis A: Navy SEALs, because Force RECON has been disbanded. It's called MARSOC now. But seriously, I'd have to say SEALs. Simply because of their ability to work in Sea Air and Land operations ( hence SEAls ). However MARSOC is still a great fighting force that gets the job done and gets it done well. But if you need a force of less than 5 guys that can parachute behind enemy lines, swim to a target using a rebreather scuba tank, blow up that target, rescue multiple hostages guarded by dozens of enemy insurgeons, and pretty much every other mission in between then you should probably call the Navy SEALs. This is a different answer: . OK Marine FORCE Recon is not disbanded 3rd and 4th Force Recon companies are still in service only 1st and Second Force Recon Companies were disbanded. And to the guy with the DOR statistics and the 2 cousins in AF and The marine uncle. Were you saying that seals are better and then argue that Marine Recon is better and better trained? Because its sounds like you contradicted yourself first saying Seals were better then saying MArine Force Recon is better. And as a Recon Marine myself, OORAH! most of the members of 1st and 2nd Force recon were put in DRP (deep recon platoons) within each divisions Recon battalions. Also the word going around is that Since SOCOM screwed up the operational roles within the Marine Recon Units SecNav decided to reincorporate the individual Force Recon Companies such as 1st and 2nd Force Recon.. So now that all that's cleared up Marine Force Recon Is superior by the Slightest margin to the seals because of the Preferred use of Marine Force Recon in Black "hush hush" operations with the CIA as well as their recruitment process into the CIA Special operations Division in which Force Recon member are almost exclusive for recruitment . ( Full Answer )
The Marine Recon is the Marine special force like the navy SEALS just in the Marines it is called Recon.
Force Recon Officers are typically not the Gung-Ho soldier fighting the battle, but more of a command/logistics organizer back at base. The Marines put a strong emphasis on leadership, so usually a enlisted Sergent will be the one leading the Recon team on missions. However, officers usually will be… the key planners of the mission, and will sometimes be sent out with their team, especially if the Recon team is sent to a forward operating post in Afghanistan or something similar to that.Also, officers almost never attend Recon training. As an officer you would have to select the Infantry MOS and then serve your 3-4 years as an infantry officer. You would see combat then, but after you reach the rank of 03-04, you typically won't see much combat as an infantry officer. Once you serve you required time as a payment for your training, you may request to be transfered to Recon. It is very hard to get your commanding officer to recommend you. If you were good at your last job he might not let you go, and if you were bad then he wouldn't recommend you because it might eventually come back to him.Overall, Recon does see combat, but very little compared to a typical Marine unit. Officers will almost never see combat as a Recon Officer, so If you want to be a "gunfighter", enlistment would be your best option as you can choose a Recon MOS.Hope this helped! ( Full Answer )
It depends on what your interests are. Honestly, more Marines die during wars than sailors. I looked up information and over 300 Marines died in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only 5 Sailors died in the same countries and they were killed by accident. Only five died because the war on terrorism is more groun…d fighting than Naval battles. Not to scare you out of the Marine Corps, but it all depends on what your interests are. Marine and Navy jobs are different, but some jobs are the same. Marines have longer deployments in more hazardous areas, Navy deployments are more frequent. Check out the websites to decide which one is best for you. All military branches have great benefits and allow you travel. I am going to be a Navy Officer, but before I decided Navy, I deeply consitered all the branches. My order of favorite branches are 1.Navy-2.Marines-3.Air Force-4.Army-5.Coast Guard. Good luck in the military!! Marines: www.marines.com Navy: www.navy.com P.S If you aren't happy with the Marines or Navy try: Army:www.goarmy.com Air Force:www.airforce.com Coast Guard: www.gocoastguard.com ( Full Answer )
The Marines are a specialized group that is with the Navy of the U.S., How could one be better than the other? They both do the best at what their job entails.
Marines are regular forces but have their own specialist special operations branches such as force recon. Rangers are elite light infantry who are trained to support tier one sf on operations. Seals are a special operations force who are as good or better than the rangers on land but are also …trained in military diving and free fall parachuting. These skills set them apart, they also have the most difficult training of the 3 units. So the SEALs are 'the best'. ( Full Answer )
Marine Force Recon is a branch of MARSOC (Marine Special OperationsCommand) and their job is to locate HVT's (High Value Targets) andother threats for the main infantry. There is no question about it,they are the most elite fighters in the United States. Many saythat Navy SEALs are more elite, but t…here are over 3,000 SEALs inthe world, and only about 300 Force Recon Marines in the world. ( Full Answer )
The navy SEALs are their own group of specially trained soldiers underwater and on land....no air....... SEAL stands for SEA for fight by sea, the A is for Air and L for land. The SEAL's can do insertion by Sea of course, and Land. the Air part is there for there insertion through HAHO jumps or HALO… jumps. They can only do insertions by Air. They cant fight in air. They are the U.S. Military second best Special Operations unit. After Delta Force. They are Second best because of there missions. they can do search and destroy and rescue missions. Any mission is possible for a SEAL except air to air combat. The only time Marine Personal would be with Seals is if they were assisting them. They are never considered one whole team. The Marines have an elite team of there own called Force Recon. these Marine are highly trained but not as much as SEALs. they can perform HAHO jumps and HALO. they can Scuba and attack by land just like seals. the Seals have better equipment and better training, but they sometimes do work with Force Recon Marines because Force Recon Marines are usually in the same vacinity as Seals, on ships. The only reason Force Recon isn't considered Special Forces is because the Corps did not want to give up one of there Special units to Special Forces Command. this way the Corps controls what Recon Marines do. so if the Navy wanted the Marines to send force Recon with a group of there Seals, they would have to get permission from the Corps not the Special Forces Command. ( Full Answer )
Preparation for 0321 Marine Force Recon You need to prepare yourself physically, and most importantly, mentally. It doesn't matter how physically fit you are, instructors can break you and continue to ride you if your spirit is broken. 1. Run a LOT! 2. Swim a LOT! 3. Get over any fear of h…eights (you're going to be jumping out of helos and planes). *There are related links below covering some specific aspects of PFT for Combat/Recon. ( Full Answer )
No - Marine MARSOC units do work with Navy SEAL's, but are Special Operations units unto themselves, with their own missions (in particular, Force Recon Units). Marine SpecOps has expanded as the need for more operators in the war on terrorism has grown substantially. The biggest difference that …separates the SEAL's from other SpecOps forces is that though the other services work in the air and on land, the SEAL's are also experts at underwater demolition and raiding ships on the high seas, among other things not mentionable here. Remember that though the Marines are a part of the Department of the Navy, they are an independent military force. Like the use of Navy SEAL's in Panama as lead force units, the inclusion of Marine Force Recon units into a broader area of operations has had much controversy. One such example was the 1st Recon Battalion's spearhead of the Iraq invasion; typically, Force Recon units are the first in-country, but are never seen and certainly don't go into a country in force as they did in Iraq. SpecOps units are best at small unit unconventional warfare, and the change in their mission has many in the military concerned for the future. ( Full Answer )
It depends on who you ask, and what your long term goals and interests are. Of course if you ask a Sailor (like me), you'll get Navy - ask a Marine, and you'll get "Semper Fi". As I said, it comes down to what you want to do long term in your life. As an example, when I was considering the militar…y many years ago, I looked at all branches. I already had been involved in electronics from an early age, and I knew I wanted a career in that field. The Navy had the best opportunities for me to fulfill that career, and if you read my Supervisor Bio, you can get an idea of what that choice gave me. I've never regretted it. If you're looking for extreme discipline, weapons and combat/security training for a Law or Security career, then the Marines is a better choice. Everyone wants to be a SEAL, but the reality is that only about 1% ever make it through BUD/S and earn their Trident. From a career perspective, overall the Navy has more career opportunities that equate to civilian positions. There isn't any civilian job that doesn't have a Navy equivalent, even construction. No one I've ever served with (my wife included) in the Navy has ever had a problem with post-Navy employment. That's not always the case with Marines, and I have relatives who are former Jarheads. It's important also to understand the difference in mission - the Navy as a whole is an extremely technical place to work, and technical ability is the main requirement for most jobs worth anything. Marines make no mistake about their core mission - they train their people to be some of the best, feared, and elite killers on the planet, and there is no question that they are. The Marines also have a more close-knit bond during and after service. But that's true with any elite outfit - as a Submariner, it's difficult at best to find the same level of competence I became used to working with when I was on Active Duty. Do what I did - first figure out what you want to accomplish or train to be in life, then look at both services to find what career path will help you accomplish that goal the best. Once you do that, you need to score well enough on the entrance exam to be able to choose that career path, or they'll select one for you based on force requirements. It's important that you take the practice test so you can get a feel for its diversity. I was fortunate enough to score pretty high on mine, so I was able to determine what I wanted to do without any problem. To give you and idea of how the same career path can lead you to different civilian careers, my cousin followed my footsteps in the Submarine Force as a Sonar Tech also. However, he finished his degree in Electrical Engineering - he's currently finishing his Doctoral Thesis. My own post-Navy career wasn't so bad either. If you want a good example of modern Marine Corps life, watch the HBO series "Generation Kill", about the Marines' 1st Recon Battalion' spearhead of the Iraq invasion. Several Recon members who were the subject of the original book and articles acted in, and served as Technical Advisors for the series. It is considered to be an extremely accurate portrayal of the life of a modern combat Marine. From a military viewpoint on close unit interaction under high stress conditions, it brought back a lot of memories from my own service time. It's out on both DVD and BD. ( Full Answer )
The SEALs obviously are more versatile in their missions but other than that not very much except for marines you must have your first enlistment which is four years before you can join and now its called MARSOC which is attached to socom and marines are the only branch whom can be activated without… declaring a war and the seals can be sent to buds as soon as they finish navy bct or bootcamp, marines also will have 15 hours of hand to hand in bct then more in their mos training and more when they are qualifying for MARSOC... THEY ARE CONSIDERED EACH OTHERS BROTHERS IN ARMS ( Full Answer )
They both have different roles and specialise in different things. They help each other by shareing their abilities.
No you cannot do that. The Navy SEALs is just that the NAVY. You would have to finish your enlistment in the Marine Corps and then join the Navy..
Marines have the Green Beret The Navy has the Navy seals What about the Airforce and Army Elite Forces?
Marines do not have "Green Berets".These are the followingSpecial Operations (Not all fall under Special Warfare Command) ineach branch: (Also: I absolutely had to make an account toanswer this correctly, it bugs me when it's wrong... AND eachBranch has it's own Intelligence Field, which is part of… SpecialOperations as a whole). . US ARMY: Notes: Army SFstarted in Vietnam, but can trace it's lineage to World War II, butit's concept goes back to the Dawn of Modern Warfare. . -Special Forces (Green Berets) . -Army Rangers (75th Ranger Regiment only) . -160th SOAR (Special Operations AviationRegiment) . -Public Affairs & PsychologicalOperations . US Navy (Not including Marine Corps) Note: Navy Special Warfare started around the sametime as Army SF, but has heritage in World War II . -Navy Seals . -Special Warfare Combatant Crewman (SWCC) . -EOD . -Divers . -Rescue Swimmers (AIRR) . US Air Force: Notes: When having superior Air Power in ground combat became arequirement in all Warfare, the US Air Force was made (After WorldWar II). With this, Air Force Liaisons that knew how Air Craftworked in performing airstrikes, that could also communicateeffectively with Pilots, became a "thing". Thus, the BattlefieldAirmen (as they are properly called), were born. . -Combat Controllers (CCT) . -Pararescue Jumpers (PJ) . -Special Operations Weathermen (SOWT) . -Tactical Air Control Party Specialists(TACP) . -SERE Instructors . US Marine Corps Notes: Marines fall under the Department of the Navy. The Marine CorpsSpecial Operations is fairly new, compared to our other Specialoperations Forces (SOF). They include the following list, andpossibly more. From what an NCO from the Corp once told me, MarineRecon is not Special Warfare, while Force Recon and MARSOC is. . - US Marine Corps Force Recon . -Marine Corps Special Operations (MARSOC: NotGreen Berets, but they also conduct the same job as a GreenBerets...Such as Unconventional Warfare, Foreign Internal Defense,Direct Action, ETC....) . Answer was edited by: BZ ( Full Answer )
No, the SEALs are specialists, whereas Marines are standard military - excellent standard - but the SEALs have gone far ahead of them in their training. It honestly depends on what the SEALS are being compared to. In the sake of comparison, take a normal Administrative Marine (this is not due to …bias) who may have never been deployed, not received any advanced degree in combat training aside from what we learn through boot camp and MCT, and is generally too busy with duties to advance him or herself in their knowledge and training. We'll call this our mediocre Marine. Compared to say a standard Navy enlisted man or woman whom fulfills the same billet or job, and rest assured the Marine will be better trained for combat in almost every instance. Take that same Marine and compare him to a Navy SEAL who has undergone extensive combat, survival and self defense training, and the SEAL will be the one who will be better suited for combat instances. However, take a top echelon Marine, say one that has been through Force Recon training who puts extreme emphasis on his personal level of training and fitness, and there isn't really anything on the face of this earth, short of a biomechanical robot made specifically for combat, that will be considered better trained. ( Full Answer )
No, not at all. Seals are part of the Navy (they are an elite Special Operations group), whereas Marines (while technically a Department of the Navy) are their own branch of the military.
Force Recon Bravo Marines are part of the reconnaissance force of the Marine Corp and Bravo is the unit designation. They even have their own website for the Marines in that unit to meet together on the web. This is a description of the work of the recon men which I found on a site for military ques…tions. Job Description: The reconnaissance man is responsible for providing the amphibious, long range, small unit, ground reconnaissance and raid skills to support the MAGTF. He is the nucleus of a reconnaissance team in the reconnaissance battalion or the reconnaissance or assault team in the Marine Special Operations Company (MSOC's) In addition to basic infantry skills, he is responsible for highly refined scouting and patrolling skills. He must possess advanced proficiency in scout swimming, small boat operations, close combat skills, airborne, surface and sub-surface insertion and extraction techniques, assault climbing, demolitions, forward observer procedures for supporting arms, initial terminal guidance operations for heliborne assaults, airborne insertion operations, and various waterborne operations. He specializes in communications, photography, threat weapons and equipment recognition, and various types of point, area, and related necessary overlap of ground amphibious reconnaissance operations. Marines assigned to assault teams possess advanced skills in assault weaponry, breaching demolitions, close quarter battle skills and raid techniques. Selected reconnaissance men are further trained as static line and free-fall parachutists and combatant divers. - Noncommissioned officers are assigned as reconnaissance and assault team leaders or their assistants and may be qualified as static line and free-fall jumpmasters, dive supervisors, helicopter insertion/extraction masters (HRST), and tandem offset resupply delivery system (TORDS) operators. Job Requirements: (1) Must possess a GT score of 105 or higher. (2) Must possess a first class swimmer qualification. (3) Must obtain a first class score on the PFT. (4) All Marines, to include non-infantry desiring lateral move, must successfully complete the Marine Rifleman Course of instruction prior to attending the Basic Reconnaissance Course. (5) Assigned as a primary MOS to MGySgt and below 03XX Marines by CMC (MM) and Reconnaissance OccFld Manager (PP and O Code POG), and approved lateral-move Marines from any other MOS, who graduate from the Basic Reconnaissance Course (BRC). (6) Must be a U.S. citizen. (7) Must be eligible for a secret security clearance . (8) Must be medically qualified to perform jump and combatant dive qualifications IAW inter-service requirements established in the P117 Navy Manual of Medicine and Army AR 40-501. Marines assigned 0321 PMOS who become medically unqualified may be directed to Lateral move or be reassigned based on the Commanding Officer, MMEA and HQM recommendations IAW MCO P1000.6. Duties: For a complete listing of duties and tasks, refer to NAVMC Directive 3500.87 , Training and Readiness Manual. ( Full Answer )
You're comparing apples and oranges. Special Forces is one distinct function of the Army (though the Marine Corps now does have units under the jurisdiction of SOCOM), whereas the Marine Corps is an entire branch of the service.
Considering that the marines are always the first to respond, they may be considered better in recon then the navy in general. However, the navy SEAL's may be considered better than the marines in genreal since the SEAL's are special ops.
Seals and Marines have different missions. Each is very good at what they do, and there is not a "better" answer here. Sort of like which is better- a motorcycle or a boat? Each does different things. New Answer: Actually there is a fairly simple answer here: SEALs, hands down are a more elite fo…rce. Here is some factual information: There are roughly 200,000 marines and at the most 2,000 SEALs. (meaning it is about 100 times harder to be a seal...) It takes about 12 weeks of training to build a Marine. Seal training begins with BUDs which is 6 months of the most demanding military training in the USA and possibly the world. That is just the beginning really, next is 4 months of SQT which is advanced Seal training that teaches stealth action, advanced marksmanship, hand to hand combat, combat swimming and skiing etc. So Hands down, the SEALs are a more highly trained, elite unit. That said, the Marine corps do have a subgroup of some of the best marines called Force Recon. Recon is more comparable to SEALs. We're all on the same side, and each group is great at what they do. But bottom line: When we must get the job done, we turn to the Navy SEAls. ( Full Answer )
The u.s. navy seals are the best. That's why they are called seals. It stands for sea air land, because they are the best at sea, in air, and on land
The primary difference is that Marine Force Recon units are generally used only for advance recon well behind enemy lines, in advance of larger force invasions/operations. Their normal activities typically require them to operate without being seen, and to not directly engage the enemy unless necess…ary. During the Invasion of Iraq, they were utilized out of normal operations, chosen to spearhead the invasion as a force, rather than operate in smaller units as they usually do. Though not their usual modus operandi, they did quite well regardless. Navy SEAL's, while they do in fact perform advance recon / intelligence operations, are primarily an active combat force, rather than just a recon force. SEALs actively seek out and engage enemy targets, quickly, and in small units, ( Full Answer )
Marine Force and Battalion Recon report to Marine Special Operations Command (MARSOC) with their reports and requests. SEAL's report to Naval Special Warfare Command (NSWC), as well as SOCOM depending on if they are JTF with NATO forces. Every branch of the military that has special operators… report to their own branches command centers. NATO forces communicate with US forces through SOCOM . Though Marine recon reports to MARSOC, they are Joint Task Force (JTF) with SOCOM forces, the reason for the separate command centers is because of the large quantities of Intel flowing in everyday. The Marine Ground Task Force (MGTF) already produces enough Intel and reports, the Recon Marines main goal is to provide Intel and tactics as to how a commanding officer should use his forces based on enemy positions (POS) and/or build up, so try to imagine how much information must be processed by the Marines alone.. It's staggering. Though they are separate, they make COMS (communications) with each other on a daily basis due to information that is collected by a unit through one command that might compromise a plan of action that the other command wants to execute or has been in course already. I disagree with the previous posting. First of all Bn RECON and Force RECON DO NOT report to MARSOC. Bn RECON elements answer to their respected Marine Division (MARDIV) the Force Recon Company used to fall under the Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF) however, has been restructured under the Recon Bn. Force Recon/Bn Recon/MARSOC Operators are all 0321's, RECON Marines. However the selection for a non-0321 Marine to move into MARSOC is greatly different than taking a RECON indoctrination. MARSOC now falls directly under The Special Operations Command (SOC) as where Bn RECON is a Marine Corps asset that is directly task-able by Marine Corps leadership. The previous author also spoke of a MGTF... It is called Marine Air-Ground Task Force a MAGTF. But to answer the question that was posed, in a sense Force Recon Marines are apart of SOCOM, they are just labeled MARSOC instead of Force Recon. Force Recon Platoons are attached to the MEU, or Marine Expeditionary Units. You will find many Marines that are part of Force or MARSOC and some will say that they still do the same function: Long Range Recon, HAHO, HALO, DA missions. etc, and others will argue that MARSOC is a more elite unit than force, and Force could argue that MARSOC is a bunch of glorified operators. Regardless of the Marines stand point, the men of Force and MARSOC are first class operators and I have the upmost respect for all of them. Force Recon / MARSOC Marines would go head to head, and beyond any other branches' "Special Forces". ( Full Answer )
Marines are not on par with the Seals. Marines are a regular force, seals are special operations. A more likely match would be Marine Recon Vs Seal
This may come as a shock to you, but the US Navy SEALs are under the Navy and not the Marine Corps
They are each the best at their 'specialty'. Both are bad boys if you are someone we are looking for bend over and kiss it goodbye because we will find you semper fi seals make alot of movies
If you will die before you quit and are determined enough then start asking about the process for becoming a SEAL and getting to BUD/S, either way I would advise looking at all options available to you with military service.
Both jobs are extremely demanding. One person who qualifies as a SEAL might consider a Marine recon unit to be tougher, yet would always consider themselves the best. The Marine recon team would also feel the same way. Such pride is expected in their teams and expected. As to fact, it depends on the… situation, as their training is different (with overlaps of course). ( Full Answer )
the usmc and the usn are not in competition with each other. Neither is better than the other. They serve two different duties but serve for the same results. You cannot say one is better than the other. But did you know, the marines is part of the Navy?
Probably, but you wouldn't want to, often guys go from Force Recon to SEALs. SEALs are the top, if someone wanted to stop operating, they would transition to a job still involved with the Navy Special Warfare community, not to another branch or to a different community, you don't go through the thin…gs you have to in order to be a SEAL just to go back, SEALs start off in things like Force Recon amd Army SF. Being a SEAL is the ultimate goal ( Full Answer )
SEAL sniping is a specialty meaning they don't do it as a full timejob. Marine snipers do it 24/7 so i'd go with the corps.
Between a SEAL, Marine, and an Army Ranger, it can vary. One of thebest snipers was Carlos Norman Hathcock II. This Marine had 93confirmed kills. Another was a SEAL by the name of Chris Kyle whohad 160 confirmed kills.
Force Recon handles high priority military intelligence as neededby Marine Air-Ground Task Force (MAGTF) command element. MarineRecon handle division-level ground and amphibious reconnaissance