Lire and pane raffermo are Italian equivalents of the English phrase "stale bread." The choice depends upon whether a slang term for pre-euro Italian money (case 1) or a general term for such recycled bread as panzanella (example 2) is being sought. The respective pronunciations will be "LEE-re" for the money and "PA-ney raf-FER-mo" or "PAN-tsa-NEL-la" for the food in Italian.