No, you do not need to beat red, but Groudon is in Soul Silver only. To get him in Soul Silver, you just need to obtain the national dex and a Kanto starter, and then talk to Mr. Pokemon for a Red Orb. With the Red Orb, you then go to the Embedded Tower on route 47. Inside, you'll be able to battle Groudon.
In Heart Gold you'll be able to get the Blue Orb, which will allow you to catch Kyogre. If you have both games and transfer a Groudon caught in the tower to your Heart Gold game and have caught the Kyogre in Heart Gold, you can show them to Professor Oak, who will then give you the Jade Orb, which can be used to capture Rayquaza.
gotta trade for both kyogre and groundon in the team ,beat red and go to where groundon was suppose to be in soul silver or where kyogre is suppose to be in heart gold hes in there lvl 50
you need the red orb
you find groundon in the embedded tower near the safari zone but you have to get the red orb from mr. Pokemon (blue orb for kyogroe in heartgold)!
No, you need to beat Red (on Mt. Silver) to get them. To get to Red, you need to beat the Kanto Gym Leaders. Red has high leveled pokemon, so watch out. CFS
you need a rock Pokemon to beat pikachu but i cant remember what is after
Go beat Wallace in Solstice city.
You need to beat the game twice and then you need to beat Red at Mt.silver then you can get the blue orb from Mr Pokemon in his house.
Beat Red
arceus will beat him easily.
You have to beat red
after you beat red it will be open and u can get mew2 good luck you will need it (and escape ropes)
You cant get a red orb because it can only be in soul silver. You can get a blue orb from Mr.Pokemon. You get Kyogre near route 47. You need rock climb. It is called embed cave. Then you will see Kyogre not groundon.