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yes , kaniyan is a backward cast in kerala (obc) known by different names like kaniyan, panikar,ganaka,kalarikurup etc,they are traditional astrologer,they also practice ayurveda ,Their ancestors were the first group of ancient Brahmins who reached in south Indian region,far ahead of the arrival of the alien Brahmins of pre medieval era.They (predecessors of Ganaka/kaniyar) were earlier known by the name Arivor .They had a supreme status in social hierarchy by virtue of their excellent sense of past ,future and present (Trikaala ngani)and profound skills in guiding the society.They are actually descendants of sakadwipi Brahmins. Origin dates back to vedic period ,Before 2000BC . Their ancestors were " Maga"people came from indo- Iranian region, eventually migrated and settled at various parts of ancient India .Some of them had taken up the practice and belief of heterodox groups (Ajivka , Jainism, Budhism) .Later their predecessors become separated and segregated in to different groups by taking up different calling or names at different places. Ganak Brahmins in Assam , Acharya in Tripura , Graha Bipra in Bihar, Nakshtra Darsa, Jothishi in Orrisa, Joshi in western and central India, Kaniyar, Ganaka , Kaniyan kanikal, kaniyar panicker, kalari panicker in south India.They were scholarly people and were traditionally engaged in intellectual vocations such as Astronomy Astrology,Literature, Ayurveda, Teaching , physicking etc. Kannassa Panickers, Ayyappilli asan, and Ezhuthachan are some of the noted personalities among them who set out the process of development of a regional language ''Malayalam'' .Generally they had taken up the role of astute physical and psychic healers ,as astrology is said to have a major role in social regulation by means of social and individual psychological intervention.Read more: Who_are_Ganaka_or_Kaniyar
Which group of sons are you asking about?Rukmini. Krsishna had 16,108 wives each ahd 10 sons. ;-)The puranas list in detail the names of 8 main queens,their sons are as follows:Of the 16,108 queens of Krsna, each of whom had ten sons, there is the following list of the sons of the first eight queens. By Rukmini, Krsna had ten sons: Pradyumna, Carudesna, Sudesna, Carudeha, Sucaru, Carugupta, Bhadracaru, Carucandra, Vicaru and Caru. None of them were inferior in their qualities to their divine father, Lord Krsna. Similarly, Satyabhama had ten sons, and their names are as follows: Bhanu, Subhanu, Svarbhanu, Prabhanu, Bhanuman, Candrabhanu, Brhadbhanu, Atibhanu, Sribhanu and Pratibhanu. The next queen, Jambavati, had ten sons headed by Samba. Their names are as follows: Samba, Sumitra, Purujit, Satajit, Sahasrajit, Vijaya, Citraketu, Vasuman, Dravida and Kratu. Lord Krsna was specifically very affectionate to the sons of Jambavati. By His wife Satya, the daughter of King Nagnajit, Lord Krsna had ten sons. They are as follows: Vira, Candra, Asvasena, Citragu, Vegavan, Vrsa, Ama, Sanku, Vasu and Kunti. Amongst all of them, Kunti was very powerful. Krsna had ten sons by Kalindi, and they are as follows: Sruta, Kavi, Vrsa, Vira, Subahu, Bhadra, Santi, Darsa, Purnamasa and the youngest, Somaka. For His next wife, Laksmana, the daughter of the king of Madras province, He begot ten sons, of the names: Praghosa, Gatravan, Simha, Bala, Prabala, Urdhvaga, Mahasakti, Saha, Oja and Aparajita. Similarly, His next wife, Mitravinda, had ten sons. They are as follows: Vrka, Harsa, Anila, Grdhra, Vardhana, Unnada, Mahamsa, Pavana, Vahni and Ksudhi. His next wife, Bhadra, had ten sons, of the names: Sangramajit, Brhatsena, Sura, Praharana, Arijit, Jaya, Subhadra, Vama, Ayur and Satyaka. Besides these eight chief queens, Krsna had 16,100 other wives, and all of them had ten sons each.(Bhaktivedanta Swami's Krsna Book,with info taken from Bhagavat Purana)
Ganaka or Kaniyar is a caste name of traditional astrologers in south India. They are known by various other names such as Kanisan, Kanisu, kani, Kaniyar Panicker , Kalari Panicker,Kalari Kurup, kaniyan ,Balyaya etc as well, at different local regions. Their ancestors were the first group of ancient Brahmins who reached in south Indian region,far ahead of the arrival of the alien Brahmins of pre medieval era. Predecessors of Ganaka/kaniyar were earlier known by the name Arivor .More over they had a supreme status in social hierarchy by virtue of their excellent sense of past ,future and present (Trikaala ngani)and profound skills in guiding the society. They are actually descendants of sakadwipi Brahmins. Origin dates back to vedic period ,Before 2000BC . Their ancestors were " Maga"people came from indo- Iranian region, eventually migrated and settled at various parts of ancient India .Some of them had taken up the practice and belief of heterodox groups (Ajivka , Jainism, Budhism) . Later their predecessors become separated and segregated in to different groups by taking up different calling or names at different places. Ganak Brahmins in Assam , Acharya in Tripura , Graha Bipra in Bihar, Nakshtra Darsa, Jothishi in Orrisa, Joshi in western and central India, Kaniyar, Ganaka , Kaniyan kanikal, kaniyar panicker, kalari panicker in south India. Ganaka were scholarly people and were traditionally engaged in intellectual vocations such as Astronomy Astrology,Literature, Ayurveda, Teaching , physicking etc. Kannassa Panickers, Ayyappilli asan, and Ezhuthachan are some of the noted personalities among them who set out the process of development of a regional language ''Malayalam'' . Kaniyar or Ganaka people were the only media who enabled the sanskritasation of non Brahmins in the kerala region.Many historians including foreign travelers have noted their proficiency in mathematics and Sanskrit. In general, they had taken up the role of astute physical and psychic healers ,as astrology is said to have a major role in social regulation by means of social and individual psychological intervention. In Kerala region, they had many titles such as Bhata, kookaniyal, Nakaniyal, Panicker , Kurup, Asan, Kalari or Ezhuthu asan, Gurukkal, Viadyan or Vaidyar ,jyotsian or Jyotsiar confered to them by then local Royal authorities, in virtue of their eminence in the respective occupational fields such as royal court scholarship , martial art preceptior, teaching, Indian medicine and astrology. Eventually such titles were adopted by the descendant family members and regarded themselves as different sub sects. From 18th century or so the privileged titles such as Asan, Vaidyar or Vaidyan, Jolsian or Jyolsiar , Panicker become no longer restricted to the arena of Kaniyar or Ganaka community ,but members of other castes and religion were also found eager to adopt and hold such surnames. Many eminent and scholarly people among Ganaka had made tremendous contributions in astronomy, astrology , literature and ayurveda. It has enriched the Indian culture. { ex : Aryabhata Ganaka of 5th century AD, Kalidas Ganaka of AD 500 , Kumara Ganaka of 14thcentury AD,Ayippilli Asan of 14 th century AD (Ramacharitha pattu) ,Niranam poets (Kannassa panickers) ,Ezhuthachan (father of malayalam) ,Edakkadu Sankaran Kookaniyal etc}. Ganaka or Kaniyar were indeed the guiding spirits of the society. Kaniyar were noted for their indispensability to the society .Opinion of Kaniyar were keenly sought by every individual at the moments of auspiciousness and at times of misfortunes alike. Hence they were highly respected by the society till 16th century.
Oh, dude, the Kaniyar or Ganaka people are traditional astrologers and temple priests in the Indian state of Kerala. They're believed to have originated from the Brahmin community but have a distinct cultural identity of their own. So, like, they're basically the cool cats of astrology and temple rituals in Kerala.
Ganaka or Kaniyar is a caste name of traditional astrologers in south India . They are known by various other names such as Kanisan, Kanisu, kani, Kaniyar Panicker , Kalari Panicker,Kalari Kurup, kaniyan ,Balyaya etc as well, at different local regions. Their ancestors were the first group of ancient Brahmins who reached in south Indian region,far ahead of the arrival of the alien Brahmins of pre medieval era. Predecessors of Ganaka/kaniyar were earlier known by the name Arivor .More over they had a supreme status in social hierarchy by virtue of their excellent sense of past ,future and present (Trikaala ngani)and profound skills in guiding the society. They are actually descendants of sakadwipi Brahmins. Origin dates back to vedic period ,Before 2000BC . Their ancestors were " Maga"people came from indo- Iranian region, eventually migrated and settled at various parts of ancient India .Some of them had taken up the practice and belief of heterodox groups (Ajivka , Jainism, Budhism) . Later their predecessors become separated and segregated in to different groups by taking up different calling or names at different places. Ganak Brahmins in Assam , Acharya in Tripura , Graha Bipra in Bihar, Nakshtra Darsa, Jothishi in Orrisa, Joshi in western and central India, Kaniyar, Ganaka , Kaniyan kanikal, kaniyar panicker, kalari panicker in south India. Ganaka were scholarly people and were traditionally engaged in intellectual vocations such as Astronomy Astrology,Literature, Ayurveda, Teaching , physicking etc. Kannassa Panickers, Ayyappilli asan, and Ezhuthachan are some of the noted personalities among them who set out the process of development of a regional language ''Malayalam'' . Kaniyar or Ganaka people were the only media who enabled the sanskritasation of non Brahmins in the kerala region.Many historians including foreign travelers have noted their proficiency in mathematics and Sanskrit. In general, they had taken up the role of astute physical and psychic healers ,as astrology is said to have a major role in social regulation by means of social and individual psychological intervention. In Kerala region, they had many titles such as Bhata, kookaniyal, Nakaniyal, Panicker , Kurup, Asan, Kalari or Ezhuthu asan, Gurukkal, Viadyan or Vaidyar ,jyotsian or Jyotsiar confered to them by then local Royal authorities, in virtue of their eminence in the respective occupational fields such as royal court scholarship , martial art preceptior, teaching, Indian medicine and astrology. Eventually such titles were adopted by the descendant family members and regarded themselves as different sub sects. From 18th century or so the privileged titles such as Asan, Vaidyar or Vaidyan, Jolsian or Jyolsiar , Panicker become no longer restricted to the arena of Kaniyar or Ganaka community ,but members of other castes and religion were also found eager to adopt and hold such surnames. Many eminent and scholarly people among Ganaka had made tremendous contributions in astronomy, astrology , literature and ayurveda. It has enriched the Indian culture. { ex : Aryabhata Ganaka of 5th century AD, Kalidas Ganaka of AD 500 , Kumara Ganaka of 14thcentury AD,Ayippilli Asan of 14 th century AD (Ramacharitha pattu) ,Niranam poets (Kannassa panickers) ,Ezhuthachan (father of malayalam) ,Edakkadu Sankaran Kookaniyal etc}. Ganaka or Kaniyar were indeed the guiding spirits of the society. Kaniyar were noted for their indispensability to the society .Opinion of Kaniyar were keenly sought by every individual at the moments of auspiciousness and at times of misfortunes alike. Hence they were highly respected by the society till 16th century. But, due to their firm egalitarian attitude in providing astrological service to all in the society (for King and sudra alike) ,other Brahman groups considered the Ganaka as inferior . In addition to that, the intolerance of the then power enjoying priestly community towards Kaniyar people's excellence in ancient branches of science (astronomy, astrology and Ayurveda) and Sanskrit language is also believed to have paved the way to degrade them to lower status. Different ocuppational groups were existed among them with different names such as Asan ,Ezhuthassan( Teaching reading writing and reciting ), Panicker, Ganaka, Kanisan(Hindu Astrology) Kalari panicker or Kurup (Martial art preception), Thinta(polluted) Kaniyan( exorcism ,palm leaf umbrella making) etc with each signifying their respective chief occupation. The Thinta Kaniyan (polluting Kaniyan) sect was an endo gamous group separated themselves from Kaniyar proper or Ganaka community.They were believed to be non talented ( intellectual vocations) members and their families from Kaniyar proper . Since they had taken up other vocations (such as Palm leaf umbrella making, exorcism, Kolam making) rather than practicing pure astrology , they had to undergo degradation to the status of underprivileged class . The higher social status of Ganaks was begun to lose since the medieval era, as the advances in modern science resulted in loss of relevance of Astrology Eventually they lost the significance of avocations such as traditional healers(Vaidyar) and Kalari sanskrit teachers (Asan) as the practice of western system of medicine and English teaching had pushed back the Ayurveda herbal healing and sanskrit eduaction . The British prohibition of traditional military practice has also made the kalari martial art preceptor (panickers) to lose their vocation. Even though their predecessors had a uniform and unique cultural practice , generally they observed the rituals and customs of high caste Hindu. subtle variations from region to region are seen in following such cultural practice.The humbleness in their behavior as a trait is believed to be a marker of esteem in high level of knowledge.
Ganaka or Kaniyar is a caste name of traditional astrologers in south India . They are known by various other names such as Kanisan, Kanisu, kani, Kaniyar Panicker , Kalari Panicker,Kalari Kurup, kaniyan ,Balyaya etc as well, at different local regions. Their ancestors were the first group of ancient Brahmins who reached in south Indian region,far ahead of the arrival of the alien Brahmins of pre medieval era. Predecessors of Ganaka/kaniyar were earlier known by the name Arivor .More over they had a supreme status in social hierarchy by virtue of their excellent sense of past ,future and present (Trikaala ngani)and profound skills in guiding the society. They are actually descendants of sakadwipi Brahmins. Origin dates back to vedic period ,Before 2000BC . Their ancestors were " Maga"people came from indo- Iranian region, eventually migrated and settled at various parts of ancient India .Some of them had taken up the practice and belief of heterodox groups (Ajivka , Jainism, Budhism) . Later their predecessors become separated and segregated in to different groups by taking up different calling or names at different places. Ganak Brahmins in Assam , Acharya in Tripura , Graha Bipra in Bihar, Nakshtra Darsa, Jothishi in Orrisa, Joshi in western and central India, Kaniyar, Ganaka , Kaniyan kanikal, kaniyar panicker, kalari panicker in south India. Ganaka were scholarly people and were traditionally engaged in intellectual vocations such as Astronomy Astrology,Literature, Ayurveda, Teaching , physicking etc. Kannassa Panickers, Ayyappilli asan, and Ezhuthachan are some of the noted personalities among them who set out the process of development of a regional language ''Malayalam'' . Kaniyar or Ganaka people were the only media who enabled the sanskritasation of non Brahmins in the kerala region.Many historians including foreign travelers have noted their proficiency in mathematics and Sanskrit. In general, they had taken up the role of astute physical and psychic healers ,as astrology is said to have a major role in social regulation by means of social and individual psychological intervention. In Kerala region, they had many titles such as Bhata, kookaniyal, Nakaniyal, Panicker , Kurup, Asan, Kalari or Ezhuthu asan, Gurukkal, Viadyan or Vaidyar ,jyotsian or Jyotsiar confered to them by then local Royal authorities, in virtue of their eminence in the respective occupational fields such as royal court scholarship , martial art preceptior, teaching, Indian medicine and astrology. Eventually such titles were adopted by the descendant family members and regarded themselves as different sub sects. From 18th century or so the privileged titles such as Asan, Vaidyar or Vaidyan, Jolsian or Jyolsiar , Panicker become no longer restricted to the arena of Kaniyar or Ganaka community ,but members of other castes and religion were also found eager to adopt and hold such surnames. Many eminent and scholarly people among Ganaka had made tremendous contributions in astronomy, astrology , literature and ayurveda. It has enriched the Indian culture. { ex : Aryabhata Ganaka of 5th century AD, Kalidas Ganaka of AD 500 , Kumara Ganaka of 14thcentury AD,Ayippilli Asan of 14 th century AD (Ramacharitha pattu) ,Niranam poets (Kannassa panickers) ,Ezhuthachan (father of malayalam) ,Edakkadu Sankaran Kookaniyal etc}. Ganaka or Kaniyar were indeed the guiding spirits of the society. Kaniyar were noted for their indispensability to the society .Opinion of Kaniyar were keenly sought by every individual at the moments of auspiciousness and at times of misfortunes alike. Hence they were highly respected by the society till 16th century. But, due to their firm egalitarian attitude in providing astrological service to all in the society (for King and sudra alike) ,other Brahman groups considered the Ganaka as inferior . In addition to that, the intolerance of the then power enjoying priestly community towards Kaniyar people's excellence in ancient branches of science (astronomy, astrology and Ayurveda) and Sanskrit language is also believed to have paved the way to degrade them to lower status. Different ocuppational groups were existed among them with different names such as Asan ,Ezhuthassan( Teaching reading writing and reciting ), Panicker, Ganaka, Kanisan(Hindu Astrology) Kalari panicker or Kurup (Martial art preception), Thinta(polluted) Kaniyan( exorcism ,palm leaf umbrella making) etc with each signifying their respective chief occupation. The Thinta Kaniyan (polluting Kaniyan) sect was an endo gamous group separated themselves from Kaniyar proper or Ganaka community.They were believed to be non talented ( intellectual vocations) members and their families from Kaniyar proper . Since they had taken up other vocations (such as Palm leaf umbrella making, exorcism, Kolam making) rather than practicing pure astrology , they had to undergo degradation to the status of underprivileged class . The higher social status of Ganaks was begun to lose since the medieval era, as the advances in modern science resulted in loss of relevance of Astrology Eventually they lost the significance of avocations such as traditional healers(Vaidyar) and Kalari sanskrit teachers (Asan) as the practice of western system of medicine and English teaching had pushed back the Ayurveda herbal healing and sanskrit eduaction . The British prohibition of traditional military practice has also made the kalari martial art preceptor (panickers) to lose their vocation. Even though their predecessors had a uniform and unique cultural practice , generally they observed the rituals and customs of high caste Hindu. subtle variations from region to region are seen in following such cultural practice.The humbleness in their behavior as a trait is believed to be a marker of esteem in high level of knowledge.