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The further down the Periodic Table that you go the more electrons that an element has, also the more orbitals an element has. If you look up general trends in the periodic table ionic size is showen to increase too. The ionic size is directly related to these larger orbital shells that hold more electrons.

S orbital = 2 é

P orbital = 6é

D orbital = 10é

You may want to look up these orbitals to get a better understanding of them, each one has a unique shape http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital

some atoms can exceed the octet rule by using these unfilled larger orbitals to put electrons into them, so for example they might use the D orbital to place extra electrons into it, causing the octet rule to break down.

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after the discovery of Transition metals the octet rule lost its significance but it still works for non metals except those atoms or ions which have only one electronic shell.

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Yes sulfur and phosphorus can expand the octet. They can have 12 or 10 valence electrons, respectively, when combined with small halogens. In PCl, phosphorus has 10 valence electrons.

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