[We have two differnet opinions here -- give us a couple of days to work this out. In the mean time find more info in the DISCUSSION section.] [[User:Cjonb|Cjonb]] 02:34, 11 Aug 2008 (UTC)~ Whoa! Not sure where this question comes from, but you don't administer chest compressions to a patient who has a pulse. Period. This is regardless of state of consciousness. With a choking victim who can make no noise, don't start rescue breathing them if you KNOW it's choking -- go straight into Heimlich Manuver (which can include abdominal thrust). If they can't breathe, you can't breathe them usually. FIRST clear the obstruction. Note that, if the victim is choking due to an obstruction, you won't be able to get air into them, and that would be why the chest did not rise. If you aren't giving them air, rescue breathing is not working. Move on to another strategy right smartly. -------- the American heart ass. states in an unconsciousness adult that is unable o be ventilated (despite 2 attempts to reposition the airway) begin chest comprestions to force out the obstruction. as to why.... got me --------- If you aren't getting air into the victim, the heartbeat doesn't matter -- there's no oxygen in the bloodstream to circulate. Also, compressing a beating heart induces an arrythmia, and may stop the heart. The focus of the rescue has to be to open that airway and get some oxygen in. Abdominal thrust is all about that; chest compressions are not. I can't find any posting on the AHA site or anywhere else that states what you mention. Please note link. Also, note that I mean no personal offense. If I sound vehement it's because this kind of misunderstanding can at times turn lethal. If you did find such a link, please let me know the URL and I'll be glad to call AHA and let them know their mistake, so they can correct it. but you are quite offensive. i make my living as a paramedic. i am beyond quailfied in forigen body airway obstruction. and good luck with your phone calls. here is the link and most notably the following exerpt: If the adult victim with FBAO becomes unresponsive, the rescuer should carefully support the patient to the ground, immediately activate EMS, and then begin CPR. A randomized trial of maneuvers to open the airway in cadavers273 and 2 prospective studies in anesthetized volunteers274,275 show that higher sustained airway pressures can be generated using the chest thrust rather than the abdominal thrust (LOE 7). Each time the airway is opened during CPR, the rescuer should look for an object in the victim's mouth and remove it. Simply looking into the mouth should not increase the time it takes to attempt the ventilations and proceed to the 30 chest compressions. http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/112/24_suppl/IV-19
Abdominal thrusts are not used any more for unconscious choking
Perform the 5 back blows, then the 5 abdominal thrusts. Repeat until the object is dislodged or they go unconscious.
Abdominal thrusts are not used any more for unconscious choking. Perform chest compressions just like in CPR instead of abdominal thrusts.
You can become unconscious which looks like you are.
The recommended treatment for choking in emergency situations is the Heimlich maneuver, which involves applying abdominal thrusts to dislodge the obstruction from the airway. It is important to act quickly and seek medical help if the person is unable to breathe or loses consciousness.
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Unconscious choking maneuvers.
Choking or vomiting
To administer treatment for choking in an emergency situation, follow these steps: Assess the situation and determine if the person is choking. Encourage the person to cough to try to dislodge the object. If coughing doesn't work, perform abdominal thrusts (Heimlich maneuver) by standing behind the person, wrapping your arms around their waist, and thrusting inward and upward. Continue abdominal thrusts until the object is dislodged or emergency help arrives. If the person becomes unconscious, perform CPR.
Abdominal thrusts, also known as the Heimlich maneuver, should be given just above the navel on the person's abdomen in case of choking.
Choking or vomiting