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Were the Trojans Turkish?

The Trojans were Turks. This claim is based on four factors: 1. Information of Old European authors, who write about the Turkic origins of the Trojans. The Fredegar Chronicle of the 7th century, Gesta Francorum of the 12th century, Tyreli William of the 12th century, Andrea Dandalo of the 14th century and many others considered the Turks to have descended from the Turcos of the Trojan origin. Felik Fabri, a German author, referred the Turkic history of Troy to the older period - to the time of Teucros. Giovanni Mario Filelfo informs in his work "Amyris" that Sultan Mehmed the 2nd presented his victory over Greeks as a triumph of justice. According to him, with the conquest of Istanbul the Turks revenged the Greeks who had once occupied it. Sultan Mehmed, the Turkish sultan, who was well-informed about the Turkic origins of Troy, was right to consider the conquest of Istanbul as vengeance for Troy. Later in the 20th century Mustafa Kemal Ataturk considered his victory on foreign invaders as vengeance for Ektor, a Trojan hero, the son of the last Trojan king - Priam. In fact these Turkish victories were not at all invasion, but liberation of old motherland and vengeance for Troy of which evidence the European sources of 7th-15th centuries. After Troy was destroyed by the Greeks, its population migrated in different directions, among which two of them are of particular interest: those who migrated to Italy founded the Etruscan civilization and those who settled in the north of Europe were dealt with in old Germanic sagas as the Turkic kings of Sweden and Norway. The second factor to prove the Turkic origins of the Trojans is the Etruscan writings that has been deciphered by Ch.Garasharli through Old Turkic languages. The Etruscans are known to have descended from the Trojans who had migrated to Italy after the collapse of Troy. Some European researchers yet in the previous centuries having found Turkic words in the Etruscan language, considered it to be of Turkic origin. They could not however go further on into the texts, as their translation needed a deeper knowledge of Old Turkic languages which could serve as key to the Etruscan writings. It was done by Garasharli in his researches. Garasharli is right to say that the old European sources had no reason to fabricate false stories about Troy. He presents numerous facts of the Old Turkic names of the Trojans that prove the information of the Old European authors. It is the third factor to prove the Turkic origins of the Trojans: Priam, the name of the last Trojan king, is obviously the same Priyam, the name of a Turanian commander, described in an old Turkic (Kazakh) epic. It should be mentioned that the Kazakh anthroponomy is particularly distinguished among Turkic languages for containing evident early Mediterranean (Trojan, Pelasgian) names. Even the name of the Ionian (Pelasgian) folk singer and poet, Homer, turns out to have its counterpart in the Kazakh epic: Gumar, a mythological Turanian folk singer Garasharli discovers in the anthoponomy of the Trojans a whole group of Turkic names, which have evident counterparts in the old Turkic, Kazakh, Kirghizian, Chuvash and other Turkic languages. Dardan, an ancestor of Priam's generation, is the same Kirghizian Dardan - a personal name. And the interpretation is reasonable: Turkic Dardan stems from the Kirghizian appellative dardan, which forms the personal name meaning "healthy", "enormous", "clumsy". Alber, the name of a Trojan commander, is the same old Turkic Alper, denoting "hero", "brave" (O.Turk. alp, alb, "hero", "brave" - er "man") which was widely used as a component of Old Turkic personal names, and in the name of Alper Tonga, a Turanian ruler. Garasharli discovers this name in old Germanic sagas. "The saga about Nibelungs" tells us about the albs ("heroes") and their king Alberikh - Trojan by origin, who were the leaders of the Trojans.. Askan, the name of a Trojan hero, is completely consonant with an Old Turkic personal name - Askan, used by the Huns. Today it is observed in the anthroponomy of the Turkic Altays. Ch.Garasharli derives its origin from the appellative askan ("violent", "naughty") used in Turkic languages. Paris, the name of Priam's son, is found to coincide with the Turkic (Khakas) Paris, a variant of the personal names Baris/Barys/Barysh/Bars, used in other Turkic languages. It is derived from the Turkic parys/pars/bars ("ounce", "snow leopard") and used as the symbol of strength in Turkic anthroponomy. It is also observed in such compound personal names as Barsbeg, Barskan, Barısbek (Kazakh), Barisbi (Karachay - Balkar), etc. The onomastic analogies found by the author are more and more. He finds that Aytilla, Priam's sister, to be the same as the Kirghizian Aytilla, a male name. Batiya, a female personal name, referred to the daughter of Teucros, the first king of Troy, is the same Batiya used in the Kazakh anthroponomy as female name. Thus, the author finds the names of both Priam and his generation in Turkic anthroponomy. Garasharli finds out analogies between Turkic-Trojan gods. For instance, Bayana, Athorodita's epithet in Troy. In Greek mythology Athorodita was known as the goddess of marriage, birth and nursing". The same function belonged to the Turkic Goddess, Bayana, which has obvious Turkic roots. Composed of the Turkic bay ("protectress", "great", "sacred") and ana ("mother"), the theonym denotes "the protectress of the tribe", "the great mother of the tribe". Finally, the fourth factor is the Old Turkic (Trojan) lexicon borrowed into the Scandinavian languages from the Trojan language, brought here by the Trojans after the collapse of Troy. The existance of Turkic Trojans in Scandinavia was dealt by prof. Sven Lagerbring (1707-1787) in his book "The Turkic fathers of the Scandinavians". In his book he demonstrates a lot of Turkic words used in the Swedish language with the same meaning as in Turkic.


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When was Ruslan Gumar born?

Ruslan Gumar was born on 1973-11-18.


Were the Trojans Turkish?

The Trojans were Turks. This claim is based on four factors: 1. Information of Old European authors, who write about the Turkic origins of the Trojans. The Fredegar Chronicle of the 7th century, Gesta Francorum of the 12th century, Tyreli William of the 12th century, Andrea Dandalo of the 14th century and many others considered the Turks to have descended from the Turcos of the Trojan origin. Felik Fabri, a German author, referred the Turkic history of Troy to the older period - to the time of Teucros. Giovanni Mario Filelfo informs in his work "Amyris" that Sultan Mehmed the 2nd presented his victory over Greeks as a triumph of justice. According to him, with the conquest of Istanbul the Turks revenged the Greeks who had once occupied it. Sultan Mehmed, the Turkish sultan, who was well-informed about the Turkic origins of Troy, was right to consider the conquest of Istanbul as vengeance for Troy. Later in the 20th century Mustafa Kemal Ataturk considered his victory on foreign invaders as vengeance for Ektor, a Trojan hero, the son of the last Trojan king - Priam. In fact these Turkish victories were not at all invasion, but liberation of old motherland and vengeance for Troy of which evidence the European sources of 7th-15th centuries. After Troy was destroyed by the Greeks, its population migrated in different directions, among which two of them are of particular interest: those who migrated to Italy founded the Etruscan civilization and those who settled in the north of Europe were dealt with in old Germanic sagas as the Turkic kings of Sweden and Norway. The second factor to prove the Turkic origins of the Trojans is the Etruscan writings that has been deciphered by Ch.Garasharli through Old Turkic languages. The Etruscans are known to have descended from the Trojans who had migrated to Italy after the collapse of Troy. Some European researchers yet in the previous centuries having found Turkic words in the Etruscan language, considered it to be of Turkic origin. They could not however go further on into the texts, as their translation needed a deeper knowledge of Old Turkic languages which could serve as key to the Etruscan writings. It was done by Garasharli in his researches. Garasharli is right to say that the old European sources had no reason to fabricate false stories about Troy. He presents numerous facts of the Old Turkic names of the Trojans that prove the information of the Old European authors. It is the third factor to prove the Turkic origins of the Trojans: Priam, the name of the last Trojan king, is obviously the same Priyam, the name of a Turanian commander, described in an old Turkic (Kazakh) epic. It should be mentioned that the Kazakh anthroponomy is particularly distinguished among Turkic languages for containing evident early Mediterranean (Trojan, Pelasgian) names. Even the name of the Ionian (Pelasgian) folk singer and poet, Homer, turns out to have its counterpart in the Kazakh epic: Gumar, a mythological Turanian folk singer Garasharli discovers in the anthoponomy of the Trojans a whole group of Turkic names, which have evident counterparts in the old Turkic, Kazakh, Kirghizian, Chuvash and other Turkic languages. Dardan, an ancestor of Priam's generation, is the same Kirghizian Dardan - a personal name. And the interpretation is reasonable: Turkic Dardan stems from the Kirghizian appellative dardan, which forms the personal name meaning "healthy", "enormous", "clumsy". Alber, the name of a Trojan commander, is the same old Turkic Alper, denoting "hero", "brave" (O.Turk. alp, alb, "hero", "brave" - er "man") which was widely used as a component of Old Turkic personal names, and in the name of Alper Tonga, a Turanian ruler. Garasharli discovers this name in old Germanic sagas. "The saga about Nibelungs" tells us about the albs ("heroes") and their king Alberikh - Trojan by origin, who were the leaders of the Trojans.. Askan, the name of a Trojan hero, is completely consonant with an Old Turkic personal name - Askan, used by the Huns. Today it is observed in the anthroponomy of the Turkic Altays. Ch.Garasharli derives its origin from the appellative askan ("violent", "naughty") used in Turkic languages. Paris, the name of Priam's son, is found to coincide with the Turkic (Khakas) Paris, a variant of the personal names Baris/Barys/Barysh/Bars, used in other Turkic languages. It is derived from the Turkic parys/pars/bars ("ounce", "snow leopard") and used as the symbol of strength in Turkic anthroponomy. It is also observed in such compound personal names as Barsbeg, Barskan, Barısbek (Kazakh), Barisbi (Karachay - Balkar), etc. The onomastic analogies found by the author are more and more. He finds that Aytilla, Priam's sister, to be the same as the Kirghizian Aytilla, a male name. Batiya, a female personal name, referred to the daughter of Teucros, the first king of Troy, is the same Batiya used in the Kazakh anthroponomy as female name. Thus, the author finds the names of both Priam and his generation in Turkic anthroponomy. Garasharli finds out analogies between Turkic-Trojan gods. For instance, Bayana, Athorodita's epithet in Troy. In Greek mythology Athorodita was known as the goddess of marriage, birth and nursing". The same function belonged to the Turkic Goddess, Bayana, which has obvious Turkic roots. Composed of the Turkic bay ("protectress", "great", "sacred") and ana ("mother"), the theonym denotes "the protectress of the tribe", "the great mother of the tribe". Finally, the fourth factor is the Old Turkic (Trojan) lexicon borrowed into the Scandinavian languages from the Trojan language, brought here by the Trojans after the collapse of Troy. The existance of Turkic Trojans in Scandinavia was dealt by prof. Sven Lagerbring (1707-1787) in his book "The Turkic fathers of the Scandinavians". In his book he demonstrates a lot of Turkic words used in the Swedish language with the same meaning as in Turkic.