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They're both important but not the same thing.

D and S are mint marks, for Denver and San Francisco. Cents made in Philadelphia don't carry a P mint mark for a number of reasons.

VDB is the monogram of the Lincoln cent's designer Victor David Brenner.

Where the mint mark and initials intersect is the famed 1909 Lincoln penny. When it first was released Brenner put his initials on the back of the coin at the bottom. Other designers had put their initials on coins but his were far more prominent, and there was a public outcry. (There's also significant reason to believe that some of the protesters were motivated by bigotry against Brenner's religious beliefs.)

The Mint ordered the coin to be redesigned without "VDB" on the back. Philadelphia had struck a lot of them but San Francisco had only made 484,000 and the 1909-S VDB cent became almost an instant rarity. It remains a key date, with values as of 10/2009 ranging between $750 for a worn one to over $4000 for a coin in top condition (MS66)

In 1918 the Mint relented a bit, and Brenner's monogram was placed in microscopic letters under the fold in Lincoln's coat near the 7:00 position.

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