What is the year of a Remington 22 short long octagon barrel rifle the last patent date on it is April161912 barrel is stamped 310340 and what is the value of them in good working order?

Answer 1

Sounds like you have a Remington Model 12 pump action rifle. Value would depend on over-all condition. How much finish (bluing/stock) remains and whether the bore is in shootable condition. If the bore is rusty and the rifling is pitted beyond use value drops considerably. Depending on condition, value could be from $200.00 to $450.00.

Answer 2

Best Guess based on firearms history search on Remington website is model 12. It appears to be the only pump action .22 rifle recorded in their log with manufacture date range in accord with patent and serial number bloack range in alignment with yours. The picture shown does not seem to depict an octagonal barrel, though perhaps one of its variations listed may have had that feature or the picture shown is hard to view. REFERENCE: http://www.remington.com/library/history/firearm_models/rimfire/model_12.asp FURTHERMORE: Patent # 953797 was the only patent issued by the United States Patent Office to Remington on date 04/05/1910. This is noted on the following webpage and appears in both columns (once beneath model 12 in the left column and once beneath model 121 in the right column)... REFERERENCE: http://www.remington.com/library/history/firearm_models/patent_dates_&_numbers.asp The Model 121 Fieldmaster was in the same calibur and patented with the same date, but was not manufactured except between 1936-1954. Less than 200,000 were made and no serial number data is available though it would appear not to align serials high enough to reach your markings. REFERENCE: http://www.remington.com/library/history/firearm_models/rimfire/model_121.asp AND While you may have to permit the installation of an activex control for viewing, the actual patent # 953797, as issued to the inventor of the cartridge stop for magazine firearms ( J.D. Pedersen ) may be viewed online with original drawing as per below: http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=00953797&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-adv.htm%2526r%3D1%2526p%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526d%3DPALL%2526S1%3D(19100405.PD.%252BAND%252B0953797.PN.)%2526OS%3Disd%2F4%2F5%2F1910%252Band%252Bpn%2F953797%2526RS%3D(ISD%2F19100405%252BAND%252BPN%2F953797)&PageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=NONE&Input=View+first+page ALL OTHER PATENTS (including inventor sketches of the original design) may be viewed and printed from online as well: Here are the other patents worth viewing: Model 12

January 5, 1909 - 908883 (Above Original Design for Rifle does seem to indicate octagonal barrel on page #3)

October 12, 1909 - 936806

March 8, 1910 - 951657

April 5, 1910 - 953797

November 21, 1911 - 13321

April 16, 1912 - 1023169

January 22, 1924 - 1481638

May 10, 1927 - 1628548

April 28, 1928 - 1682704 AND YOU MAY FIND INTEREST IN REQUESTING AN OBSOLETE OWNERS MANUAL for the Model 12 by creating a free login and making the literature request (which also appears to be free): REFERENCE: http://www.remington.com/literature_request/literature_request_form.aspx Good Luck, hope it is the right one.

Answer 3

That's a model 12-C made in 1920. The value is greatly determined by the original condition, condition, and condition. Anywhere from a 200 shooter/parts gun to about 1,500 or more if it's new in the box with papers. BUT until the gun hits the 90% condition it probably will not exceed 600, it's all about condition for a collector.