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How can you convert a vinyl-lined swimming pool with steel walls and a sand bottom to fiberglass?
If you have a vinyl liner pool sides are fiberglass in concrete bottom is concrete mixture liner sets on how can you convert it to fiberglass?
The experts at Advanced Pool Coatings have been installing fiberglass coatings over vinyl liner pools for over 30 years. You can read more at: http://www.advancedpoolcoatings.…com.
What we are about to show you are the facts about toxic fiberglass products and why Epoxy is becoming so popular today. First of all Polyester and Vinyl ester resins ar…e ½ the strength of epoxy and secondly they do not hold water or can contain a liquid. Example: If you rolled or sprayed polyester or vinyl ester resin on a surface of concrete, steel or any substrate, it would not hold water. It dries outward and under a microscope has small holes. Even when you use polyester or vinyl ester with a fiberglass matting it still will not hold water. You must apply a gel coat to contain the water. This is a well known fact to the boat builders of today. All gel coats made today are not warranted by the manufacture for more then 1 year. This is why most 1 piece fiberglass pools and yachts are only warranted for 1 year on the outer coating. If you roll out an epoxy resin it will bond to concrete and steel and will film and dry from the top down causing the material to be non-porous. Under a microscope there are no small hydration holes therefore each and every coat of epoxy not only bonds to the material it is being applied to but is also watertight Standard fiberglass has been outlawed today for any use for food, drinking water, biological, and aquariums. The EPA and OSHA have found that polyesters, vinyl esters and gel coats continue to give off toxic fumes and eventually break down in many cases. Therefore all external and internal coatings must be a certified NSF product. NSF or ANSI products are all epoxies. The Federal Government must certify these products. Examples of problems with polyesters to vinyl esters and gel coats: In 1979 the biological tanks at a college were coated with a polyester resin which the substrate was made of concrete. While the material was being applied the fumes were so bad all the students had to leave the building and the fire department was called. The EPA shut down the job and made them ventilate the building. The fiberglass and gel coat deteriorated in less then 60 days killing all the fish in the tank. Some people have complained of the toxic fumes from the polyester as far away as ½ mile from swimming pools being resurfaced in their neighborhood. These fumes have been known to set off pace makers and cause asthma attacks. (Polyester & Vinyl esters increase the heart rate and to some can shut the lungs down. What we are showing you is that polyester, vinyl esters and gel coats were good for the old days but they are pretty much prehistoric today. They do not and cannot compare to the new epoxies available today. Some companies still using the old systems of fiberglass will never change and their generation will usually not educate themselves about the new world and new products available. After doing some research we have found that most of these companies using the old systems are usually not members of any composite or polymer associations or do not take any seminars or courses to better educate themselves. They will eventually be like the dinosaurs and will slowly fade away. Hopefully, for all of us, they will take these toxic prehistoric products with them. A full version of this document is available as pdf file on my website
Answer There are no disadvantages if the pool is properly prepared and, most importantly, the right materials are used to create the fiberglass shell. It is up to the c…onsumer to demand the specific resin, fiberglass mat weight, and gelcoat that will be used in the application. When the materials are delivered, no matter who delivers it, the consumer must demand the Material Data Safety Sheets MSDS, and verify that they represent the exact materials ordered. Then the MSDS must be compared to the Chemical Manufacturers labels before the shipment is accepted. Once you accept it, you're stuck. Assuming the right (which happen to be the most expensive) chemicals and fiberglass are used, and the gelcoat is applied in a timely fashion, (to achieve a chemical bond), the pool will not leak for at least 30 years. The maintenance and chemical usage will be reduced by more than 50%, and the pool will look new and beautiful once again. Between 12 and 18 years later, depending upon pool use and care, the pool will need to be re-gelcoated. Salt water chlorination increases the longevity of the original gelcoat toward the upper end of the term.
Answer Ah the old Fiberglass wall concrete bottom redo. Here you have two surfaces to deal with plus an expansion joint! That�s what I love about these pools there is… 3 times the work and if you don't get the expansion joint right it will leak and you will have to drain the pool and pull out all the joint and start over again. So I recommend you hire a professional to do the job that way you get a warranty and someone else has to fix the goof. But if you are a gluten for punishment here are some basic steps: 1. Drain the pool. IF YOU ARE IN A HIGH WATER TABLE AREA MAKE SURE THE HYDROSTATIC RELIEF VALVE IS WORKING PROPERLY OR THE POOL MAY FLOAT OUT OF THE GROUND. The pool will have to remain dry during this process so you will have to have a pump going on the main drain sump to keep water out of the pool. 2.The walls can either be painted or re gel coated. Re gel coating is expensive and you will want to hire a professional to do this job. If you paint find a swimming pool paint that can be used on fiberglass. I would recommend an epoxy type paint because this will last the longest of all paints. Kelly Technical Coatings makes a paint called Zeron, this is a one-coat paint, but you will need to prep the surface and apply a primer. Follow the manufactures recommendations to apply this product. If your steps are made of fiberglass and you are painting I recommend the addition of a product called Shark Bite to make the surface non-slip. You should be able to find Shark Bite at a paint store. 3. The concrete floor can be plastered (very expensive, and get a professional to do this as well) or painted with the same paint you paint the walls with Zeron. Follow the manufactures recommendations to apply this product. 4. The last item is the expansion joint between the floor and the wall. Dig out all the old stuff and then put filler in as needed then re-caulk. I recommend Kelly Technical Coatings Permaseal (this product is designed to be used in the pool.) You may want to prep the joint before you paint the floor and wall then finish the joint when you are done with the floor and wall. If you do everything for the joint last you may chip the newly painted surface. Now that you have seen everything rethink the idea of hiring someone to do the job, mainly because the job is very involved and if not done properly can become a huge nightmare.
u can NOT convert one into another.... ud have to rip it out and start over... either gunite or fiberglass
If you have an in-ground swimming pool with a concrete bottom and stainless steel sidewalls can you install a Salt Chlorinator System without damaging the stainless steel walls?
Chlorine and Stainless Steel McNelly.com says, " The basic resistance of stainless steel occurs because of its ability to form a protective coating on the me…tal surface. This coating is a "passive" film which resists further "oxidation" or rusting. The formation of this film is instantaneous in an oxidizing atmosphere such as air, water, or other fluids that contain oxygen. Once the layer has formed, we say that the metal has become "passivated" and the oxidation or "rusting" rate will slow down to less than 0.002" per year (0,05 mm. per year). Unlike aluminum or silver this passive film is invisible in stainless steel. It's created when oxygen combines with the chrome in the stainless to form chrome oxide which is more commonly called "ceramic". This protective oxide or ceramic coating is common to most corrosion resistant materials. Halogen salts, especially chlorides easily penetrate this passive film and will allow corrosive attack to occur. The halogens are easy to recognize because they end in the letters "ine". Listed in order of their activity they are: fluorine chlorine bromine iodine astatine.
A hole in the liner of the above ground swimming pool is causing sand to wash out from the bottom of the pool wall. How can this be repaired?
Answer . Just get a can of PVC cement. Use the brush from the can and put a glob of glue on it. With a swim mask, go down underwater with the brush only and apply the glue… as fast as you can. the gle will harden quickly under water. Try taking deep breaths then let most of your air out before you go under. this will help you stay down to work on the hole without fighting yourself to stay down. Hold the glued place together for a few seconds so it will bond. You may want to use a vinyl patch. Just generously glue the Back of the patch before you go down and just take the patch, not the gle brush. Ask the pool supply store for a free old liner sample. That's what I did and it is a good size peice for multiple or large areas.
Fiberglass doesn't rust and can be repaired if need be. steel is much harder to do anything with once things start needing repairs
Well first of all there is no such thing as a fiberglass pool. You can have fiberglass walls instead of steel but your pool is still vinyl because you need a liner. These are …the usual combinations of inground pools. 1. Sand floor, steel walls, vinyl liner 2. Sand floor, fiberglass walls, vinyl liner 3. Vermiculite floor, steel walls, vinyl liner 4. Vermiculite floor, fiberglass walls, vinyl liner 5. Concrete floor, steel walls, vinyl liner 6. Concrete floor, fiberglass walls, vinyl liner 7. Concrete floor, concrete walls, no liner Concrete pools have to be painted with epoxy paint or if you want tile installed then usually you plaster over the concrete. Now a days 3 and 4 are the most common inground installs. 1 and 2 are usually pools that are 30 + years old although you can still have them done that way. In South Alabama the cost of a 20 *40 vinyl pool will cost around 18 to 22 thousand
Steel walls are currently the lowest quality wall for a swimming pool, with the exception of Cyprus wood (if still available). Concrete (not gunite) is superior to any… other wall, but a pool with concrete walls generally also has a concrete bottom. In other words, it is a concrete swimming pool. The most popular wall today for vinyl liner pools is fiberglass and, with the possible exception of concrete, is the best possible choice.
What type of existing swimming pool? You can patch an existing fiberglass pool.
You're half way there already. Add a 4" cement/fiber-mesh bottom. Let it cure per instructions, then fiberglass it using vinyl ester resin and one ounce Owens Corning ch…opped strand mat. Sand the fiberglass walls, then apply two new coats of swimming pool gel coat to the entire pool. Every 15 years thereafter, sand and replace the gel coat on the entire pool.
The wall is steel and concrete so the short answer is that you do not.
there is a company that has a dealer base across the country called Fiber Tech. You will have to have a concrete floor but other than that they line your pool with fiberglass …and special resins giving you a product with a 25 year warranty. They are located in Largo FL.
It depends where you are building in the world. Steel is ready available every where but has the diadvantage of rusting over time if water gets to it. This can be slowed by pa…inting with an industrial coating. I have seen steel walls in the ground after 25 years and all is good. It is relatively easy to repair. Steel is cheaper than polymer but polymer is a whole lot lighter and easier to work with and does not corride at all. In the USA the polymer wall is a formed product and is very good. In Australia there is not much available in polymer but Albatross Pools in Melbourne do a great steel walled pool and have been for over 30 years. I would go with what ever is available and work within your budget. Both systems are extremely easy pools to construct and easy and much cheaper to renovate when required in the future.
Fiberglass swimming pools, in the group, can last a very long time! They can last well past 30 years! But, they can quickly become damaged if they are not cared for properly. …Contact your pool specialist if there is ever damage so that it can be fixed before one small crack ruins your entire pool.
One reason that causes sand to accumulate at the bottom of your pool is a sand filter with a broken lateral or laterals. Notice where the sand is accumulating? Is their return… outlets from the filter directly above the small piles of sand in your pool? That is a broken lateral. You can fix this problem by scooping out the sand in the filter and replacing the laterals at the bottom of the tank. I have been cleaning and repairing pools for a long time and it is my suggestion that you hire a professional for this job.