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the threat of the death penalty is no deterent...people are arogant and they premeditate the act thinking they will be like OJ and get away with it because they are smarter than everyone else or they commit the crime in the heat of passion and punishment never even enters their mind until after...then the "I can beat this" attitude kicks in and they try to cover it up. These attitudes persist as do murder rates, the latter of which is not affected by the existence of capital punishment. The death penalty should not be argued for from the standpoint of being a deterent, because it is not. Rather it should be argued that the punishment must fit the crime. Those who kill should be killed. The unfortunate thing is that if you wish to mete out true justice doing so will eventually bankrupt your society. It is good that we want to take every precaution not to convict an innocent person, but a real shame that we have so many bad people that we cannot afford the required justuce for all of them and therefore we end up with a bad compromise.

== == Spiritual decline is evidenced throughout the western world, with the rejection of the Christian faith and its replacement with secular evolutionary Humanism. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, or chairman Mao committed the murder of millions Stalin likening it to being no different to mowing a lawn.

The prisons are not suddenly (or even slowly) emptying with the decline in spiritual values. The removal of the death penalty is a symptom of the rejection of absolutes as well as the downgrading of the value of human life and so it probably is not solely responsible for any increase in murder alone but is part of the wider picture. Nor would it necessarily prove anything if places which had a lower rate of murder also had the death penalty -there may be other factors, although I believe it does send a powerful message if administered correctly.

No, States that have abolished the death penalty have shown a marked decrease in murder rates since putting such decisions into effect. Additionally, such states average significantly fewer murders per thousand than states with the death penalty.

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