Thank you, it makes a lot of sense.The person with the learner's permit is my mother, an adult. She has had her permit for over three months and had gone to the store, located a mile away from the house, when she was pulled over for a traffic violation in Virginia. The police officer pulled her over after she made a right turn stating that she "disregarded a red light", and gave her a ticket, a fine. However, I am seriously considering the option to challenge that ticket, because even though there is a "no turn on red" sign, there is also a sign that reads "while pedestrian are present" and no one was outhere. Then, he gave her an additional ticket for driving with a permit only, for which she has to appear in court. I'd like to get as much information as possible and be prepared.