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Second Vatican Council

Meeting from 1962 to 1965, the council addressed the Catholic Church and its relationship to the modern world in an effort to renew the Church and work toward healing the rifts between the Christian faiths. It was here that the requirement to conduct all masses in Latin was relaxed.

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What were the changes made at Vatican II?

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The Second Vatican Council (commonly called Vatican II) called for a modernization of some church practices as a means of opening a dialogue with the world and better spreading the good news of the Gospel. Contrary to some belief, Vatican II changed no doctrines of the Church, since doctrine can never change. One of the most visible changes resulting froim Vatican II was the celebration of the Mass in the vernacular (i.e., current languages such as English, Spanish, French, etc., depending on the country) instead of Latin. Another was a new emphasis on the role of the laity (non-ordained persons) in the life of the Church.

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The vernacular - The language of the church was Latin. But the Vatican brought about change by bringing in the vernacular (native tongue) being English into the church. Having the church in the one language everywhere made catholics welcome across the world uniting them together

The priest faced the laity - During the ceremony the priest used to face the altar and say the mass with his back to the people. The Second Vatican Council changed this so that the priest faced the people connecting them with God.

The Eucharist is received on the hand - Communion (Eucharist) used to be received on the tongue as no one was allowed to touch the host, even if it fell on the floor the priest would have to pick it up. Communion is now received in the hand and we are allowed to touch the host

Laity are involved in the mass - the laity are now involved in the mass not just the men. They can be altar servers, sing, read, or give out the host. This brought the people together as they were able to connect as one catholic body with God

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A few changes were the masses were now said in English, not Latin. The Priest faces the parish during the mass, and the Church supposedly started accepting the other religions and respecting them.

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The Mass is in English only in those countries where the language is spoken. The Mass is in whatever the local language happens to be.

Mainly it was the modernizing of the Church.

  • Rather than speaking Latin, the language of the Mass became the vernacular (The language of the people/religion)
  • Format of the Mass

    - Responses were changed

    - Readings were changed

    - Altar was not at the back

    -priest faced the congregation during the Mass.

What were the issues of Vatican II?

The Second Ecumenical Council of the Vatican, or Vatican II, was the twenty-first Ecumenical Council of the Roman Catholic Church. It opened under Pope John XXIII on October 11, 1962 and closed under Pope Paul VI on December 8, 1965. At least four future pontiffs took part in the council's opening session: Cardinal Giovanni Battista Montini, who on succeeding Pope John XXIII took the name of Paul VI; Bishop Albino Luciani, the future Pope John Paul I; Bishop Karol Wojtyła, who became Pope John Paul II; and Father Joseph Ratzinger, present as a theological consultant, who became Pope Benedict XVI. == == Issues considered during the sessions included liturgy, mass communications, the Eastern Catholic churches, and the nature of revelation. Most notably, the schema on revelation was rejected by a majority of bishops, and Pope John intervened to require its rewriting. After adjournment on December 8, work began on preparations for the sessions scheduled for 1963. These preparations, however, were halted upon the death of Pope John XXIII on June 3, 1963. Pope Paul VI was elected on June 21, 1963 and immediately announced that the Council would continue.

Why did the Second Vatican Council occur?

There was an attempt to update or modernize ( without once using the word Progress or Modernist!) Church doctrine and life issues. Aggiornamento- Living in the Present tense is an approximate translation, was the order of the day, Updating, perhaps. Latin was all-but discarded as a liturgical language, but this jettisoned a useful unifying factor ( akin to ll0-l20 VAC power in the US) In Europe the Masses were all conducted in Latin ( prior ro Vatican II) sermons, of course , were in the language of the congregation, in the US- English. Rules and practices were vastly altered or again, updated. the relative position of the celebrant and congregation was altered, ushering in the so-called ( Flying Washboard) altar. More lay involvement led to so-called folk masses and some songs were rather quesitonable as they were not traditional hymns- Religious articles were subject to the obsolescence-block- and the Ecclesiastical Wates industry took a beating- one company survived by getting into military insignia, badges, etc. and is still very much in business. Their name, Lordship Industries- reflects original production of religious articles! Other Ecclesiastical wares houses were not so fortunate. it is still debatable if Vatican II did enough, went too far, or maybe not far enough. the celibacy laws were not modified or slacked-down one iota.

Explain the purpose of the Vatican II Council?

According to Pope John XXIII, who called the Council, its main purposes were threefold:

?Spiritual Renewal - promoting peace and unity of human kind ?Pastoral Updating - "Aggiornamento"

?Ecumenical Unity - that all Christians may be one

Who was the pope that convened Vatican II?

Pope Pius IX convened the First Vatican Council which began in 1868.

Pope John XXIII convened the Second Vatican Council which began in 1962.

Pope Paul VI reconvened the Second Vatican Council in 1963 after it was suspended due to the death of Pope John.

Pope John had to close the First Vatican Council before opening the Second Council since the First Council was never officially closed by Pius, it ended abruptly, or temporarily suspended because the Franco-Prussian War broke out and the bishops in attendance wanted to return to their diocese. After Rome was captured, Pope Pius permanently suspended the Council but did not close it officially.

Pope John died during the intermission break between the first and second session of the Second Council to which it was suspended. Once Cardinal Giovanni Montini was elected as Pope Paul VI, he reconvened the Second Council and presided over it until its ending in 1965.

What were the chief reforms in the Church from the Second Vatican Council?

The chief reforms in the church from the second Vatican Council were: the use of the vernacular language instead of Latin in the Holy Mass; the church tabernacle displaced from the central aisle and the usage of revised Eucharistic prayers in the church. There were the direct reforms.

How was it having the service in Latin before the Vatican II?

The Latin rite in its pre-liturgical reform splendor was described as "the most beautiful thing this side of heaven."

Mass was celebrated in different degrees depending on the occasion. There was Low Mass, High Mass and Pontifical Masses. Low Mass was solemn but without the extra splendor of High Mass: there was no singing, no chanting, no grand procession, no sermon, etc. It was basically the Mass abridged and lasted anywhere from 20 minutes to 30 minutes. Low mass was especially designed for the faithful, that they might be able to attend daily before going to work or school. It was quite common before the 1960s for Catholics to for Catholics to go to Mass daily. This practice is all but extinct as the new mass is designed for communal celebration, which is not feasible for the working person or student. A High Mass was celebrated on Sundays and special celebrations or feasts during the week. The High Mass had incense, chant, Gregorian chant, organ music, often a sermon, a grand procession, more prayers, etc. Pontifical Masses were Masses celebrated with a bishop as the celebrant. Often these were specific to certain sacraments or special occasions. The ceremonies could be incredibly complex. Sermons, when they were given, were often very precise about Catholic theology and morals, and were noted for their strength, for they did not strive to be politically correct or sympathetic to other religions vis a vis the Catholic concept of the truth. The new ecumenical push has dissolved this style of preaching.

Before the liturgical reform, all Latin Rite Masses were celebrated in Latin with the sermon given in the common language and often the Epistle and Gospel reread in the common language as well. This allowed Catholics to participate in the Mass anywhere in the world, for it would always be the same, minus the sermon: it was the same ceremony with the same words all over the world. In the old rite there were no Eucharistic ministers, readers or offertory procession, and the laity participated via singing, Gregorian chant, responses and receiving Communion. The receiving of Holy Communion in the hand was seen as a sacrilege, and was not practiced in the old rite, since the priest's hands alone were anointed to consecrate the Host and thus it was only seen as proper that he handle the sacred species and the containers, such as the chalice. This gave a tremendous gravity to the ceremony and emphasized the role of the priest as mediator and the Mass as a sacrifice.

The old set up had the priest facing the altar, which was often build into the wall of the sanctuary. The tabernacle was enthroned in the altar's center, hence why the priest faced it and not the people as is now the practice. The priest said many more prayers, made many more reverences (kissing the altar, sacred objects, etc.,) and overall the effect was one of great solemnity and sacredness. When there was music it could only be either Catholic hymns or Gregorian chant - often there were pieces in the Mass that were to be sung by a trained choir and others that could be sung by the congregation as they were familiar and often repeated each Sunday. The organ, save for rare exceptions, was the only instrument allowed to be played in church, as its sound was considered the most noble and inspiring.

After Vatican II the Mass was reformed in ways that lost the luster of its sacred character. In order to involve the laity to a further degree, the altar was shifted to the center of the sanctuary, that the priest might now address the people. Tabernacles were sent to a side alcove, to be referenced only when needed. The crucifix on the altar was also removed and often hung behind the priest on the wall - a move the old rite would not allow in principle. Eucharistic ministers and readers were introduced and the restrictions on handling the sacred species - despite never being revoked - were ignored until it became a fait accompli. The Mass is now regarded more as a community meal than a holy sacrifice with the emphasis on the people not the sacrifice of the altar and the priest's role has developed into a sort of master of ceremonies. The music quality has dropped significantly - Gregorian chant is almost gone and whole bands have been introduced to play music that emphasizes God's love and very rarely anything else. The liturgical calendar has also been redone, and many of the liturgical seasons and customs proper to certain places have fallen into obscurity. Things such as novelty masses, dancing, etc., would never be permitted in the old rite which saw the church space as sacred, and hence quiet and propriety in voice and dress were honoured.

The new Mass was purposely modeled to be more ecumenical, hence Archbishop Bugnini modified it with the aid of 6 Protestant ministers and a Jewish representative. Hence the visible character of the Mass differs little now from many organized Protestant ceremonies. Because of these reasons, there are some religious congregations, such as the Society of Saint Pius X, The Society of Saint Peter, etc., who came into existence solely to uphold the old ways. Due to the moral pressure of Catholics who reject the new way of Mass as unfulfilling and spiritually desiccated, Rome finally publicly acknowledged that the old rite was never formally abrogated and that any priest may celebrate it. Many bishops, whose indult used to be required before the old Mass could be said in the their dioceses, are not pleased with Rome making this acknowledgment and continue to make it difficult for priests to celebrate the old rite, at least publicly. As well, the classic Catholic community that used to center around the church is largely gone accept for hardcore cliques. Catholic communities used to be built around the church and the school, but since Catholic schools now rarely have mass, and daily mass is rarely done at church, Catholics only congregate on Sundays and have lost the sense of spiritual family that was so well noted of them throughout the centuries.

How many attended the Second Vatican Council?

The second vatican council was attended by representatives from many churches including bishops, priests, etc.

The Vatican had over 2600 Bishops and another addition to theologians and other experts, adding up to 3000. It consisted of;

  • 1089 bishops from Europe
  • 489 bishops from South America
  • 404 bishops from North America
  • 374 bishops from Asia
  • 296 bishops from Africa
  • 84 bishops from Central America
  • 75 bishops from Oceania, , which included Papua New Guinea, The Solomon Islands, New Zealand and Australia
  • 63 observers from other Christian Churches
  • 52 lay men and women over the whole four years.
Catholic AnswerThe main participants in the Council, and the only voting members were the Bishops of the Catholic Church. They, however, brought with them a number of theological experts, the current Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, was one of these experts at the Vatican Council. Also invited were various observers from other religions, including our separated brethren in the East, and protestants, who attended as observers, which was quite a break with earlier Councils, although the Lutherans were invited to the Council of Trent in the 16th century, they refused to attend.

What goes on in Vatican 2?

All the bishops in the world met in the Vatican, at St. Peter's Basilica off and on for three years beginning in 1962 through 1965. They discussed and vote on various documents, which then had to be approved by the reigning Pope, and were published. You can see the documents at the link below, and pictures of the Council at the second link.

Where is the Bar Council located?

The Bar Council is located in several different countries. The most well-known of the locations is in London. The other locations are in Ireland and Malaysia.

How long did Vatican II last?

Vatican II lasted approximately 3 years: 1962-1965.

What are some of the significant contributions made by Vatican II to the world?

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The Second Vatican Council made its most significant contribution to the world outside the Church itself, by declaring that the Catholic Church does not hold the right to determine what non-Catholics should believe, how they should worship or what religious instructions their children should receive. It declared that all persons have a right to worship as they please, even in countries where the Catholic Church the majority religion, and that the state should not interfere in religious observance.

The previous declarations on these issues were contained in the Syllabus of Errors, issued by Pius IX in 1864, in response to the Enlightenment. It was considered by Catholic theologians as having binding force, although opinion was divided as to whether each and every statement defined in the Syllabus as false was infallibly false. It condemned as false statements requiring separation of Church and state, as well as all statements in support of religious freedom. In states where Catholics are in the minority, they have the right to public worship. In states where others faiths are in the minority, they have no right to public worship because only the true faith has the right to public worship.

Perez Zagorin (How the Idea of Religious Toleration Came to the West) considers the Declaration on Religious Freedom, passed by the Council in December 1965, to be an accomplishment of world importance. It signified a complete reversal of the Catholic Church's former inimical attitude to toleration and announced its adherence to religious freedom as a universal principle and contemporary obligation and necessity. Fiercely debated and meeting with considerable resistance from some Vatican officials and a number of bishops, it states, "the human person has a right to religious freedom." It asserts that all men are to be immune from coercion by individuals, social groups, or any human power, so that "In matters religious no one is forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs. Nor is anyone to be restrained from acting in accordance with his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits." Furthermore, "the right of parents are violated, if their children are forced to attend lessons or instructions which are not in agreement with their religious beliefs."

The Declaration also acknowledged that the Church had acted at times in ways "which were less in accord with the gospel and even opposed to it," but does not express any contrition or apology for the Church's record of religious persecution.

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AnswerAccording to the last couple popes, the most significant contributions made by the Second Vatican Council are still to be realized. The Council started with some wonderful work on the Sacred Liturgy, but, almost in total, their recommendations have been totally ignoring. In the second year, the Church addressed the issues of the means of social communication, the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, the Decree on the Eastern Churches, and the Decree on Ecumenism. Probably this last has had a significant contribution as the Church has reached out to the Orthodox and to her separated brethren in the protestant ecclesial communities. One thing that is very evident fifty years after this great Council is the fact that the Church most definitely does not operate on modern "fast time". After every major Council in the Church it has taken nearly a century for the dust to settle, and I would contend that it is just starting to now. I would not look to understand the Council's significant contributions for another thirty years or so. Most of the things that have happened in the Church in the last fifty years have not been contributions of the Council, most people have never read the documents and are only going on what "common wisdom" has said.

Restoration of RCIA during the Vatican II?

RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults) is the modern name for the catechumenate and its surrounding processes, a catechetical system developed in the Early Church to prepare and initiate converts into the Church and largely structured by St. Augustine of Hippo in his De Catechizandis Rudibus. The catechumenate fell into disrepair during the Middle Ages as the Edict of Milan legalized Christianity and future emperors made it the official religion of the empire, which prompted mass conversions and led to a decreased need for such a system. Furthermore, the rise of Infant Baptism led to a fall in adult conversions, for which the catechumenate was established. These factors combined allowed the Christian culture of Europe to evangelize on its own, so that a non-Christian desiring to join the Church would already be very aware of the Church's teachings.

The Second Vatican Council restored the Catechumenate in response to the needs of the modern world and the rise of secularism, which changed the culture from being an authentically Christian one that would automatically evangelize its citizens and renewed the need for a system and process of catechesis for non-Christian adults. In restoring the catechumenate under the RCIA, the Second Vatican Council responded to the real need of modern society.

The RCIA is generally used for any adults seeking to join the Catholic Church, even though it is technically only for catechumens, who are non-Christians converting to Catholicism (non-Catholic Christians converting to Catholicism are known as "RCIA candidates").

The catechumenate is a stage of the RCIA process and therefore the two are not technically identical, but the terms are usually used interchangeably. The RCIA consists of the Pre-Catechumenate (a basic, less formal stage of instruction and venue for inquiries about the faith), the Catechumenate (a formal stage of instruction), Purification and Enlightenment (a spiritual preparation before joining the Church, usually during Lent since most RCIA candidates are welcomed into the Church at Easter), and Mystagogy (a post-baptismal period of ongoing catechesis for new Catholics, who are called neophytes).

What changes after Vatican II regarding fish on Fridays?

The Second Vatican Council, itself, made no changes to Friday abstinence, although Pope Paul VI, streamlined, and explicated the reasons for Friday abstinence. He also allowed, with specific permission from the Vatican, individual Bishops' Conferences to allow individuals to substitute some other penance on Fridays outside of Lent if it would be more meaningful. That has been a total disaster, and they are just now started to rescind that, I believe that the English Bishops have already returned that entire country to mandatory Friday abstinence year round. You may view the entire document at the link below.

Why are conservative Catholics so opposed to and angry about the changes that resulted from Vatican II?

Vatican II changed a lot of the customs and traditions of the Catholic Church and its faithful. For example, prior to Vatican II, all masses had to be said in Latin and meat was forbidden to eat on every Friday around the year. When Vatican II met, a lot of more liberal priests, bishops, and cardinals influenced its direction. To some, the outcomes of Vatican II seemed to have 'watered down' the devotion that the common Catholic needed to have to be considered a member of the Church of Christ. Even though Vatican II is now nearly 50 years ended, there remain a few Catholics who are opposed to these changes, even angry to the point of leaving the Church claiming that the Church is no longer in union with Christ. Of course, this can never be true, as the Holy Spirit guides the Church and it carefully guided the Church through Vatican II and will continue to do so in trust and faith through the ages to come.

Catholic AnswerI don't think "conservative" Catholics are so opposed to and angry about the changes that Vatican Council II asked for, they are angry and opposed to the changes that were made in the name of Vatican Council II but were not actually made. For instance, Vatican Council II called for more of the people's language in the Mass for the readings and such so that the people could understand them. However, they were VERY insistent that Latin remains as the language of the Church and of the Mass. In other words, Vatican Council II never imagined that the entire Mass would be in the language of the people, and specifically said this was not to happen.

After any great Ecumenical Council there is always a lot of upheaval. The Council of Trent in the sixteenth century called for the abolition of any liturgy that was not at least two centuries old. There were some people who had their own form of the Mass for four or five generations who lost it due to this. There were many other changes that really upset a lot of people back then, we all get used to things and "things" had not changed much in the last five hundred years. This Council had a lot of additional problems because the 1960's happened at the same time, the devil always uses these times of trouble to instigate people to leave the Church and the Sacraments, knowing that it really doesn't matter the reason, if he can separate them from the Church that Jesus Christ founded, he has won, and we have lost.

Real conservative Catholics are those who realize that as long as they remain in communion with the successor of St. Peter, the vicar of Christ, and listen to him, they will be alright. Real conservative Catholics remain humble and obedient and try to conform their lives to Christ's and not worry about what the Bishops are doing. We will be judged by how we treated other people, if we treated them as our brothers in Christ, we will not be judged by whether the Bishop made the right decision in allowing whatever nonsense is current this year or not.

What effect did the Second Vatican Council have on the liturgy?

The Second Vatican Council in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy called for several things: first among them, it called for full, active participation:

Mother Church earnestly desires that all the faithful should be led to that fully conscious, and active participation in liturgical celebrations which is demanded by the very nature of the liturgy.

It also called for education of the laity,

and then it called for "noble simplicity" without "useless repetitions":

The rites should be distinguished by a noble simplicity; they should be short, clear, and unencumbered by useless repetitions; they should be within the people's powers of comprehension, and normally should not require much explanation.

and finally it called for Latin to be retained, although the vernacular could be used in such as the readings, to make them easier to understand. For the full document, see the link below: