Moses

Judah. This was prophesied :-

Gen 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a Lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come. And the obedience of the peoples to him.

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

Rev 5:5 One of the elders said to me, "Don't weep. Behold, the Lion who is of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome; he who opens the book and its seven seals."

Rev 5:6 I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lambstanding, as though it had been slain, having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth.

Jewish Answer:

Tribal distinctions were already lost by the time Jesus was born, so no one truly knows.

For example, Anna knew she was from the tribe of Asher:-

Luke 2 (v.36) There was also a prophetess, Anna, a daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was well along in years, having lived with her husband seven years after her marriage,

Paul knew he was from the tribe of Benjamin:-

Phil 3 (v.4) although I [that is, Paul] once also had confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he has grounds for confidence in the flesh, I have more: (v.5) circumcised the eighth day; of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born of Hebrews; regarding the law, a Pharisee;

Paul's parents knew they were from the tribe of Benjamin:-

When Paul changed his life by being converted and becoming a Christian, he also changed his name. Paul's previous name was "Saul" , and was taken from King Saul, who was also from the tribe of Benjamin. Paul's parents knew they were from the tribe of Benjamin and so called their son after the greatest leader of that tribe.

However, all these tribal details were lost when the Temple was destroyed in 70AD.
the tribe of Judah
Hebrews 7:14 - For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. [NKJV]
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Jesus was from the tribe of Judah.

All Jews are his descendants, therefore they gain the same blessing that he received from God.

Answer 2

Tradition states that Abraham founded Judaism, and Moses later received the Torah from God.
Abraham (18th century BCE), tenth-generation descendant of Noah, of Hebrew lineage, was the son of Terah, uncle of Lot, father of Isaac, grandfather of Jacob, and forefather of the Israelites. His story is in Genesis ch.11 (end), through ch.25. Jewish tradition states that he was the first to actively spread belief in One God; and it is in his merit that Jews continue to exist (Genesis 18:19, and ch.17).

No direct relationship, since Samuel lived about 400 years after Moses and was not a descendant of his. However, they are connected in that both were major Prophets and leaders of their respective generations, both were Levites, and both were among those who transmitted the Israelite traditions to the following generation (Maimonides, introduction to the Yad). See also:

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The Egyptian pharaoh, Rameses II lived approximately 1290 to 1224 BCE.

The only information we have on Moses is from the Bible, which provides two quite distinct ways of estimating when Moses would have lived, neither of which coincides with the life of Rameses II.

According to the Bible, Moses was the grandson of Kohath, who was alive at the time of the migration from Canaan and lived 133 years, while his son Amran lived 137 years. At the extremes of biological possibility, and assuming the patriarchs really lived to improbably great ages, Moses was born sometime between 15 years and 270 years after the arrival in Egypt and, living to the age of 120 years, died between 135 and 390 years after the arrival. On these calculations, Moses was born between about 1850 and 1600 BCE, and died between about 1730 and 1480 BCE.

According to the Bible, Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, around 1440 BCE, and died about 40 years later, having lived 120 years. On these calculations, Moses was born about 1520 BCE and died about 1400 BCE.

On this evidence, Rameses II and Moses could not have grown up together, as Ramesis lived centuries after the time attributed to Moses. Moreover, over ninety per cent of scholars are reported as believing the Exodus did not really happen, thus casting doubt on the very existence of Moses.

Other answers from our community:

>>It is said, "Most historians believe that Ramesses II was the Pharoh during the Exodus."<< However, it was most definitely NOT Ramses II.

We know for a fact that Ramses II died when he was 90 years old. How? Not only because Pharoah's birthdays, coronations and deaths are well documented but also because he built the Temple at Abu Simbel.

The most spectacular engineering achievement of Abu Simbel is that sunlight shines directly into the temple twice a year. Once on Ramses II's birthday and once on his coronation. (Even though the temple was moved due to the construction of the High Dam, the dates the sun illuminates the chambers are only off by one day.)

And we know how old he was when he died. This is confirmed by the obscure fact that Pharoah's burial chambers are a specific height. The age of the Pharoah at death x Pi = the height of the chamber.

Now Moses, according to the Bible, was 80 years old when he first approached the Pharoah with the demand to "let my people go.". If Pharaoh died right after the Exodus he was a maximum of ten years older then Moses. The problem?

The Bible says that Pharoah's daughter found Moses in the reeds and kept him and raised him as her own child. Ramses could not have had a daughter old enough to pass for Moses' mother when he himself was only ten years old.

Some possible answers:

1) The Jewish scribes who wrote the Bible made up the whole story about Moses being found by Pharoah's daughter. There are many reasons why they might have done this. Also, you would have to believe that Moses never passed for Ramses II's grandson but possibly his son.

2) The Egyptians not only incorrectly documented Ramses' age but the architects of both Abu Simbel and Ramses II's burial chamber were buffoons.

3) The Jewish scribes who wrote the Bible were incorrect about Moses' age by around 26 years. (Assuming Ramses II had a daughter at the age of 13 and she was at least 13 herself when she found Moses.)

4) The Jewish scribes were incorrect about Moses being 80 years old when he approached Pharaoh.

5) The whole thing is fiction.

Why do some people believe Ramses was the Pharaoh during the exodus? Because the Bible tells of the Jews building the cities of "Pithom" and "PiRamses" aka "Ramesses." However, archeologists have found evidence of Egyptian settlements long before PiRamses was built by the Jews making it much older then originally thought. Since Pithom was built, as the Bible accurately describes, of mud brick there are few remains of this city.

For this reason scholars consider that the earlier name was updated to make it recognizable to those who read the account. It is thus not an anachronism or has no direct bearing on the age of the city. There are many examples of this kind of thing. In referring to Russian cities we would no longer use St. Petersburg but the current name. It is also worth noting that a number of scholars consider that the hole Egyptian chronology is in need of revision by several centuries and so it is difficult to state categorically who the Pharaoh was.

Answer

Acording to Wikipedia: In the Bible, the name of the Pharaoh of the Exodus is not given. He is simply called "Pharaoh." Muslims also believe in the exodus, as the story is told in the Muslim holy book the Qur'an (Koran), although some details of the story are different. Candidates for the identity of the King of Egypt at the time of the Exodus include

clude:

• Amenemhat IV (1815 BC to 1806 BC)
• Tutimaios (circa 1690 BC)- also known as Dudimose
• A Hyksos king (circa 1648 BC to 1540 BC)
• Ahmose I (1550 BC to 1525 BC)
• Thutmose I
• Thutmose III (1479 BC to 1425 BC)
• Amenhotep II (1427 BC to 1401 BC)
• Amenhotep IV, also known as Akhenaten (1352 BC - 1336 BC)
• Horemheb (circa 1319 BC to 1292 BC)
• Ramesses I (circa 1292 BC to 1290 BC)
• Ramesses II (1279 BC to 1213 BC)
• Merneptah (1213 BC to 1203 BC)
• Amenmesse (1203 BC to 1199 BC)
• Setnakhte (1190 BC to 1186 BC)

Answer:

The Bible very clearly places the Exodus from Egypt around 1440 BCE, but we now know from archaeology that Egypt was at that time very much in control of Canaan and remained so until the thirteenth century, which brings us to the time of Ramesses II, or Ramses II, pharaoh from around 1290 to 1224 BCE. No earlier pharaoh could have been the the biblical pharaoh who drowned in pursuit of the fleeing Israelites as the crossed the Red Sea. Moreover, it was he who built the city of Ramses (Pi-Ramesses), mentioned in the story of the Exodus, thus ruling out his predecessors.

Unlike the biblical pharoah, who was drowned in the Red Sea, Ramses II was buried in a tomb in the Valley of Kings. His body was later moved to a royal cache. Assuming there really was an Exodus from Egypt, which few scholars now accept, Ramses II could not have been that pharaoh, regardless of popular tradition.

God sent ten plagues upon Egypt (Exodus ch.7-12), not only the plague of frogs. The purpose of the plagues was to impress upon Pharaoh and the Egyptians that God is the Boss (Exodus 7:5) and that the Israelites must be freed in order to serve Him (Exodus 7:26).

The K'li Yakar commentary writes that, since the Egyptians worshiped the Nile, God symbolically trounced their false belief by making the Nile a source of anguish in the first two plagues. Also, since Pharaoh refused to recognize the voice of God (Exodus 5:2), He forced Pharaoh to listen to the constant croaking of the frogs (and later the unnaturally loud thunder during the hailstorms (Exodus 9:28) (K'li Yakar).

Previous post stated:

We are not certain which pharaoh was contemporaneous with the Moses and the exodus. Alot of people say Rameses II is the Pharaoh of the Oppression but at the moment it is not possible to tie the history of the book of Exodus to that of the Egyptian writings. If you think about it while the Israelites find the episode of key importance, seen form the Egyptian viewpoint it may not have been seen (or recorded) as an event of importance (human nature is not usually to make big of defeats!)

According to Wikipedia Pharaohs of Exodus there are 14 candidates;

• Amenemhat IV (1815 BC to 1806 BC)
• Tutimaios (circa 1690 BC)- also known as Dudimose
• A Hyksos king (circa 1648 BC to 1540 BC)
• Ahmose I (1550 BC to 1525 BC)
• Thutmose I
• Thutmose III (1479 BC to 1425 BC)
• Amenhotep II (1427 BC to 1401 BC)
• Amenhotep IV, also known as Akhenaten (1352 BC - 1336 BC)
• Horemheb (circa 1319 BC to 1292 BC)
• Ramesses I (circa 1292 BC to 1290 BC)
• Ramesses II (1279 BC to 1213 BC)
• Merneptah (1213 BC to 1203 BC)
• Amenmesse (1203 BC to 1199 BC)
• Setnakhte (1190 BC to 1186 BC)

(The following was added on 3/20/2015):

Increasing evidence points to Thutmose II as being the most likely pharaoh of the Exodus. For the past several years, more people have been suggesting he was the likely candidate, and the fact that his cause of death is unknown leads additional credence to this possibility. Most recently, studies of the mummy of Thutmose II have given even further cause to accept him as the most likely Pharaoh of the Exodus. Since links are not allowed in answers, please do a Google search for an article on release wire entitled "Archaeologist: Reign of Egyptian Pharaoh Thutmose II Suggests Crisis" which quotes HarvardUniversity educated archaeologist and president of the Paleontological Research Corporation, Dr. Joel Klenck.

Note that if the Bible account in the Book of Exodus is true, then the "crises" mentioned in the above article make perfect sense. Note that the article does not mention Moses or the Exodus, but the timing of Thutmose II fits well with the understood timeline of the Bible, and the article states the following:

- An inscription by the succeeding Pharaoh Hatshepsut (ca. 1,479-1,457 B.C.) in her Underground Temple at Speos Artemidos states that Egypt was "ruined" and "had gone to pieces" before the beginning of her reign. This makes perfect sense if the previous Pharaoh, Thutmose II, and his entire army were killed in the Red Sea.

- Further, there is evidence that disease affected the royal court before the reign of Hatshepsut. The mummy of Thutmose II is the only corpse of a pharaoh during the Eighteenth Dynasty covered with cysts from an unknown malady.... In addition, Hatshepsut and her successor, Thutmose III (ca. 1,457-1,425 B.C.), bear traces of the disease suggesting their skin healed after a period of time. Recent DNA evidence suggests that Thutmose III might not be related to Thutmose II. That Sitre-In and Thutmose III show evidence of this disease suggests the disease was not hereditary but widely affected Thutmose II and his court. If the plague of the boils in Exodus 9 affected even the Pharaoh, you would expect to find evidence of these boils on his corpse as noted here. Note that commoners were not normally embalmed, so the few mummies of Thutmose II's court would be the only ones we would be able to see today with evidence of the boils... and all of them have such evidence.

- Klenck remarks "From the end of the rule of Thutmose II and throughout the reign of Hatshepsut, Egyptian armies did not leave their country for a period of at least twenty-two years, until the reign of Thutmose III." If the entire Egyptian army was destroyed in the Red Sea, it would have taken several years, or perhaps even a couple of decades to rebuild it.

- Klenck states, "After the reign of Thutmose II, the Egyptian court seems to have had a crisis of faith in their principal deity Amun-Re." If the Egyptians witnessed the plagues of Exodus and the incredible power of the true God, it stands to reason their faith in their previous deities would have been shaken. The Bible even indicates in Exodus 12:38 that some of the Egyptians may have had their faith so thoroughly shaken they decided to join the Israelites.